Charlottesville white nationalists riots

[InVOLuntary]

The Washington establishment wouldn't like Harvey Updyke either, or a full-blown communist, but I don't think you'd want one of them as president either.

Simply being disliked by the establishment does not mean they'd be a good president. It's simply an indication that they have ideas that the powers that be don't like, be they good or bad.

And if Trump espoused this views I would not like him either but he doesn't. His problem is (to the establishment) is he's not politically correct. He doesn't coddle anti-fascist fascist. He places blame on them as well as the racist hate groups.

 

[theFallGuy]

You know, I don't often reach back for the "but, but, but OBAMA!" talk, but you damn well know if Obama was treated with even half the contempt Trump is, he would have gone bat**** crazy on the press.

Don't even try to deny it or play this whole "he brings it on himself" nonsense.

wasted air, one thing I've learned is LG has no sense of objectivity at all

 

[joevol33]

How about a logical answer from one of our liberal friends?

 

[davethevol]

How about a logical answer from one of our liberal friends?

Zing!

 

[05_never_again]

And if Trump espoused this views I would not like him either but he doesn't. His problem is (to the establishment) is he's not politically correct. He doesn't coddle anti-fascist fascist. He places blame on them as well as the racist hate groups.

The problem he poses to the establishment isn't his lack of political correctness. I agree that the establishment doesn't like that aspect of him, but ultimately that's just a difference of style.

The problem he poses to the establishment is that he espouses economic nationalist views that conflict with their free trade, free flow of capital, globalist/internationalist views. During the campaign, he also expressed a willingness to entertain a less interventionist foreign policy, which they really don't want.

They've been somewhat successful at getting more establishment-type people around him like Gary Cohn. He, Mnuchin, and Tillerson all come from the corporate world. The guy they really want out of there is Steve Bannon.

 

[tumscalcium]

Some real high-level insults in this thread

You took it as an insult? I took it that she's a lesbian. Damn your a sensitive little one.

 

[InVOLuntary]

The problem he poses to the establishment isn't his lack of political correctness. I agree that the establishment doesn't like that aspect of him, but ultimately that's just a difference of style.

The problem he poses to the establishment is that he espouses economic nationalist views that conflict with their free trade, free flow of capital, globalist/internationalist views. During the campaign, he also expressed a willingness to entertain a less interventionist foreign policy, which they really don't want.
No, what he wants are fair trade agreements. Our industry has been sold down the road by bad agreements endorsed by both sides of the aisle. American industry has been fleeing this country for decades due to unfair agreements. This is one thing Trump is good at. And, the reason they don't want this is because they've sold US interest down the road for personal gain. They're all crooks.

They've been somewhat successful at getting more establishment-type people around him like Gary Cohn. He, Mnuchin, and Tillerson all come from the corporate world. The guy they really want out of there is Steve Bannon. And the reason these corporate guys don't want to upset the apple cart, they have vested interest in foreign corporations.

All this stuff from the right and the left are establishment politics motivated by the all mighty dollar. You are not getting jobs back in this country by doubling down on bad trade agreements.

 

[MT LeConte]

Because they have been part of the problem. Screw the likes of Corker, McCain, Romney etc...

You forgot to screw the likes of Tim Scott and Lindsey Graham. Corker, Graham, Scott and McCain are just the vocal ones on the R side. Trump is bleeding support. His presidency is off the rails and is destined to crash and burn. He will never finish this term.

 

[allvol123]

You forgot to screw the likes of Tim Scott and Lindsey Graham. Corker, Graham, Scott and McCain are just the vocal ones on the R side. Trump is bleeding support. His presidency is off the rails and is destined to crash and burn. He will never finish this term.

So members of Congress, an institution with an approval rating lower than a concentration camp, dislike him.

Oh noes!!!!!

 

[05_never_again]

All this stuff from the right and the left are establishment politics motivated by the all mighty dollar. You are not getting jobs back in this country by doubling down on bad trade agreements.

I don't disagree, but the reason we don't make DVD players in the United States isn't because we've signed bad trade deals.

I agree those trade deals are always signed with the interests of the large multinationals being supreme, but Trump is selling his biggest supporters a bill of goods when he goes around telling them he can bring their jobs back.

 

[barrylee]

It's quite a symbiotic relationship, you know?

The press conference that had LG and others frothing at the mouth about the other day started off innocently enough about the infrastructure bill. First questions? About his comments from Saturday. Next set of questions? Whether he was going to fire Bannon. More questions about Virginia. Only one, count it, one question about the infrastructure proposal.

Don't give me this "he brings it on himself" ****. The media practically poked him in the eye trying to elicit a response the other day.

If he didn't"t act like a petulant child there would be no reason for these questions to come up! People are always going to have different views on politics but come on there is no debate on how unprepared Trump is for the job of being President.
Being divisive is the only way he can hang on to his base and it"s obvious that"s all he cares about. He doesn't"t give two ****z about anyone but himself..

 

[golfballs]

I cannot remember a president whose own party -- including past presidents, past presidential candidates, governors, members of Congress, business and industry leaders, and even supporting celebrities and donors, have so universally condemned that president.

And the fact that he just turns a deaf ear, keeps making it worse, and is so defiant to the overwhelming concern of those around him is truly remarkable, in and of itself.

Again, you've been living under a rock if you think the GOP has ever liked or truly supported Trump. What exacerbates it is the GOP instinct to immediately cave under serious lefty pressure. Spineless losers

 

[SergeantVol]

How about a logical answer from one of our liberal friends?

Because during liberal president terms you are only supposed to protest conservatives. During conservative terms you are supposed to lose your mind and protest everything.

I thought everyone knew this!

 

[MT LeConte]

So members of Congress, an institution with an approval rating lower than a concentration camp, dislike him.

Oh noes!!!!!

As a whole Congress gets low ratings. But when their individual states or districts are polled about how they rate their own Congressman or Senator their ratings are much higher and they keep getting reelected.

Regardless, Trump needs the support of the Senate to get anything done and he's bleeding support.

 

[luthervol]

You really do think Trump supports Nazis don't you? Good God man.

Only if they say nice things about him.

I felt Trump would make a horrible president from day one, but I grossly underestimated his horribleness.

 

[barrylee]

Again, you've been living under a rock if you think the GOP has ever liked or truly supported Trump. What exacerbates it is the GOP instinct to immediately cave under serious lefty pressure. Spineless losers

It"s not leftist, it"s just common decency! Forget the left for a minute, doesn"t it give you pause that 67% of America disagrees with you?

 

[golfballs]

It"s not leftist, it"s just common decency! Forget the left for a minute, doesn"t it give you pause that 67% of America disagrees with you?

No it doesn't.

And please explain how condemning ALL violence is an affront to common decency?

 

[tumscalcium]

It"s not leftist, it"s just common decency! Forget the left for a minute, doesn"t it give you pause that 67% of America disagrees with you?

Totally off subject, but why are you using quotes in place of an apostrophe?

 

[lawgator1]

How about a logical answer from one of our liberal friends?

They did. I recall some being removed and debates from time to time about it over the past 20 years.

But again, quit trying to distract from the real issue, which is not the statutes. Its about the neo nazis and white supremacists marching, itching for a fight, then killing a young woman, and injuring many.

And about Trump going for the alt right bait that this is not about racial hatred from the right, its about just preserving history.

Honestly, if you cannot acknowledge that the anger and resentment and lots of violence on the alt right is a big problem and getting worse, and that YOUR president has been giving excuses for it, there's just not much to discuss.

 

[VolunteerHillbilly]

I don't know what people are complaining about. Everything that matters is in good shape. The market has done well overall and employment is up. What else do you want? If you think it's the government's job to make you feel good and proud of the country, you're wrong. That's your own job.

 

[golfballs]

They did. I recall some being removed and debates from time to time about it over the past 20 years.

But again, quit trying to distract from the real issue, which is not the statutes. Its about the neo nazis and white supremacists marching, itching for a fight, then killing a young woman, and injuring many.

And about Trump going for the alt right bait that this is not about racial hatred from the right, its about just preserving history.

Honestly, if you cannot acknowledge that the anger and resentment and lots of violence on the alt right is a big problem and getting worse, and that YOUR president has been giving excuses for it, there's just not much to discuss.

He's your President too. 👌🏻

 

[OJ]

Hopefully not holding your breath. My contention was that is didn't appear in the format presented. It was an on air interview with a friend. Considering the fact that she was at the counter protest leads me to believe her friend was absolutely correct and the deceased would have wanted it said.

Dr Phil would have much fun with you.

 

[VolunteerHillbilly]

They did. I recall some being removed and debates from time to time about it over the past 20 years.

But again, quit trying to distract from the real issue, which is not the statutes. Its about the neo nazis and white supremacists marching, itching for a fight, then killing a young woman, and injuring many.

And about Trump going for the alt right bait that this is not about racial hatred from the right, its about just preserving history.

Honestly, if you cannot acknowledge that the anger and resentment and lots of violence on the alt right is a big problem and getting worse, and that YOUR president has been giving excuses for it, there's just not much to discuss.

Not your president huh? Who's the traitor now?

 

[golfballs]

I don't know what people are complaining about. Everything that matters is in good shape. The market has done well overall and employment is up. What else do you want? If you think it's the government's job to make you feel good and proud of the country, you're wrong. That's your own job.

It's the medias job to sow discontent and incite panic

Meanwhile Congress isn't focused on accomplishing anything that actually impacts the majority of Americans.

 

[InVOLuntary]

I don't disagree, but the reason we don't make DVD players in the United States isn't because we've signed bad trade deals.

I agree those trade deals are always signed with the interests of the large multinationals being supreme, but Trump is selling his biggest supporters a bill of goods when he goes around telling them he can bring their jobs back.

How bout we just try and stop the bleeding first then we can talk about bring some jobs back. When you're bleeding you remove whatever is causing the bleeding.