Charlottesville white nationalists riots

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something to consider. its a graphic showing when confederate statues were built, and the majority were built during jim crow/ccivil rights movement. siap
 
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"Every record has been destroyed or falsified, every book rewritten, every picture has been repainted, every STATUE and street building has been renamed, every date has been altered. And the process is continuing day by day and minute by minute. History has stopped. Nothing exists except an endless present in which the party is always right."

George Orwell, 1984
 
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Grand Vol said:
I don't object to her pockets hanging out...

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Franklin Pierce said:
"Every record has been destroyed or falsified, every book rewritten, every picture has been repainted, every STATUE and street building has been renamed, every date has been altered. And the process is continuing day by day and minute by minute. History has stopped. Nothing exists except an endless present in which the party is always right."

George Orwell, 1984
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I think he was warning us about Trump.
 
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Lawrence Wright said:
Or is it an opportunity to downplay the violent death of a young girl by someone whose "message" is about as un-American as it gets?
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And the group she was with was there for what?

To violently oppose a group they don't agree with.

The discourse in this country is devolving. It doesn't matter what your beliefs are, you have a right to peaceably assemble and express them. NO ONE has a right to attack or intimidate you because they don't like what you're saying. That is mob rule.
 
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luthervol said:
So you have a feeling of winning? I'm trying to think of an analogy. Maybe this....you are an NFL team with a 1-14 record going into your last game. If you win, you keep your arch rival from having home field advantage in the playoffs by dropping them to a 3 seed, but winning will cause you to lose the Number 1 pick and the ability to get the player you desperately want. You win and bask in the feeling of winning. Surely, it can't be any more than that.
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Getting another republican on the SCOTUS was good enough for me. The rest of it is gravy. Lovin' every minute of it.
 
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Septic said:
As someone who lives in Lee County, whereas the Lee is that of none other than Robert E. Lee and whose 10 ft. portrait hangs over the County Commissioners hall. I've decided how to handle the impending showdown, by entrepreneurial know how.

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This is by far the smartest post you have ever made. You have just shattered my image of you. :cray:
 
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apevol said:
something to consider. its a graphic showing when confederate statues were built, and the majority were built during jim crow/ccivil rights movement. siap
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Also a lot built around the 50th anniversary of the end of hostilities. And a lot of veterans would have been dying at that point. I'm not sure how you untangle the motives.
 
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Franklin Pierce said:
CNN posted a map on August 17 showing the location of approximately 1,500 Confederate monuments and/or official symbols in the U.S.

The map will, no-doubt, serve as a hit-list for the frenzied Workers World Party members and others seeking the removal and destruction of Confederate statues in city after city across America.

The outlet embedded a Southern Poverty Law Center/CNN map of the U.S. in the article–a map complete with green, blue, and red dots to signify the locations of the Confederate symbols. The green dots show schools with Confederate namesakes, the blue dots show courthouses that have Confederate monuments/statues, and the red dots show “parks, trails, monuments, municipalities, holidays, buildings, flags” that are maintained.
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That map is wrong. They are missing a bunch of them.

Like the one at Gettysburg where a confederate soldier is buttstock slapping a union soldier..Mississippi monument I believe..
 
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For those still not aware, antifa is an extreme faction of the far left that believes in combating the right with violence. They show up at events across the country, do not believe in free speech for all and dress and behave like terrorists. “Antifa militants have thrown punches, hurled bottles filled with urine and feces, vandalized cars, smashed windows, intimidated cities into canceling pro-Trump displays and forced right-wing speakers off of campuses,” writes my colleague Matt Purple. "After one particularly bloody confrontation in Sacramento during which seven people were stabbed, the police blamed antifa for starting the violence, not the neo-Nazis they were protesting.”

Bottom line: antifa are more often than not the left mirror image of the fascists they abhor.

But their existence does not mean conservatives or anyone else should abhor white nationalists less or appear to abhor them less — which is exactly what they do when their only reply to Charlottesville is “What about antifa?”

Take the temperature of minority groups in America right now who are likely more horrified by what they saw in Charlottesville than what most non-Jewish whites can fully comprehend. Black and brown Americans have obviously had a different and tougher historical experience than white Americans, and the rhetoric and symbols on display Saturday probably resonate at an even more disturbing level for them.

When they look at white nationalists and leftists causing violence, they are probably less concerned about the left, and understandably so. “What about antifa?” probably isn’t going to cut it for them, nor should it.

Unfortunately, right now President Trump is the best example of this mealy-mouthed approach. Trump gave a strong and presidentially appropriate condemnation of white nationalism on Monday, including mentioning 32-year-old Heather Heyer, who was allegedly killed by an alt-right terrorist on Saturday. The statement came too late, but at least the president finally fully denounced the white nationalists in Charlottesville.

But when asked about the alt-right again on Tuesday, Trump said, “What about the alt-left … ?” This is Trump’s version of “What about antifa?” It’s also whataboutism, and is neither a good nor comforting response from a person who is supposed to be leading the country.

I’m willing to bet the president is probably confused and angry right now over the sharp backlash following his press conference, because, hey, he just wanted to know why the media wasn’t talking about the extreme left more often.

I agree with the president. Antifa and similar groups should be given more coverage and condemnation.

But so should white nationalists, in the strongest possible terms.

And in no way should conservatives ever give the impression that people who sport swastikas and give Nazi salutes are less bad because there also exists an extreme left.
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http://rare.us/rare-politics/why-as...-is-not-a-good-response-to-white-nationalism/
 
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apevol said:
something to consider. its a graphic showing when confederate statues were built, and the majority were built during jim crow/ccivil rights movement. siap
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I can't read that graph. Something to consider though is that it took a few decades before anyone from the former CSA to have any kind of expendable assets to devote to monuments. A lot of what was erected in the first few decades after the war was well intentioned to help widows, orphans, and veterans make sense of their sacrifices and losses. Moving into the 1910s and 1920s you start seeing memorials dedicated more specifically to the survivors who fought the war and the men who led them as their generation died out from old age. With the exception of some things that were done in the 1960s purely to commemorate the centennial of the war, I'd say most of the modern stuff that is on public property was probably done with mixed motives, or just plain bad motives. The truth is that most white folks just don't give enough of a darn about black people to waste our time thinking up ways to intimidate, anger, and oppress them. They do a good enough job of it themselves.
 
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apevol said:
something to consider. its a graphic showing when confederate statues were built, and the majority were built during jim crow/ccivil rights movement. siap
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It's also when Georgia added the Confederate battle flag to its state flag. These aren't just innocent historical markers.
 
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VolunteerHillbilly said:
I can't read that graph. Something to consider though is that it took a few decades before anyone from the former CSA to have any kind of expendable assets to devote to monuments. A lot of what was erected in the first few decades after the war was well intentioned to help widows, orphans, and veterans make sense of their sacrifices and losses. Moving into the 1910s and 1920s you start seeing memorials dedicated more specifically to the survivors who fought the war and the men who led them as their generation died out from old age. With the exception of some things that were done in the 1960s purely to commemorate the centennial of the war, I'd say most of the modern stuff that is on public property was probably done with mixed motives, or just plain bad motives. The truth is that most white folks just don't give enough of a darn about black people to waste our time thinking up ways to intimidate, anger, and oppress them. They do a good enough job of it themselves.
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Liberal poons will crap their pants over this post lol
 
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Someone said to me that these remembrances of the Confederacy belong in a museum, not on a pedestal. I think I agree; it makes no sense that we're still glorifying the Confederacy.
 
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