Charlottesville white nationalists riots

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Vol737 said:
I took a "we'll see" approach. Yes, I too was just dumbfounded he kept getting the traction he did. So what's the other conclusion? That people were sick of the deceit and lies of Hillary Clinton they couldn't stomach voting for her? Because that's the only other one.
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That's not the only other conclusion, by a long shot. Everyone should search deeply and carefully to reach their own conclusion.
 
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Burn up a grocery store and loot it, then complain there's no where to shop for groceries… Brilliant
 
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ClearwaterVol said:
The economy is doing about the same as it was under Obama which according to Trump was embarrassing. Now it's the best and marvelous and great again. I feel like we have PT Barnum in the white house.

I am also a little sick of the we're a third world country in terms of infrastructure crap. That is an outright lie.
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Was listening to an economist being interviewed the
other day and said if we get tax and common sense regulation reform, that's about the only way we get above 3% gdp growth. The economic data is forward looking however, and it's a positive mood. We do have some infrastructure needs, as always. That's what the highway bills are all about every year. All I know is they just finally paved the road to my neighborhood and it's no longer a third world, pothole slalom course.
 
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volinbham said:
So Antifa are the victims - classic.

When it's on the left the nonsense is always a result of being pushed too far. They had no other choice than to a. riot, b. loot, c. destroy property, d. hit those people, e. all of the above.

Can we revisit the brainwashed and gullible commentary?
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Of course there are brainwashed and gullible and idiotic people on the left. It's 3% compared to 30% (made up numbers - obviously, I would think) But the point remains.
 
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luthervol said:
Of course there are brainwashed and gullible and idiotic people on the left. It's 3% compared to 30% (made up numbers - obviously, I would think) But the point remains.
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I was talking about you my friend - stating that Antifa is being forced to be idiots because of some Bannon plan.
 
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Alternative Liberal headline: "Most Americans are Nazi's"

[twitter]https://twitter.com/politico_steve/status/898174163709558784[/twitter]
 
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ClearwaterVol said:
I am not 100% sure that I am thinking about the correct poster, but I believe that '72 doubled down every time when asked whether he believed Trump would win. Most others lost confidence at one point or another.
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True. I always thought he would win because of 2 big things...... Republicans and Democrats. People were sick of both. They were sick of the Clinton/Obama/Bush and the establishment politicians. Trump spoke to them on a level that they could understand.

Heck, I didn't vote for him in the primary. I hated his guts a couple of years ago, and wouldn't watch The Apprentice because I couldn't stand him. I honestly believe that he wants to fix some of our problems that have been brought on by both parties.
 
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luthervol said:
Of course there are brainwashed and gullible and idiotic people on the left. It's 3% compared to 30% (made up numbers - obviously, I would think) But the point remains.
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Hmm..

Homework assignment. Start adding up the people protesting "right wing causes"..then add up those protesting "left wing causes".


Bonus assignment : add up the arrests and property damage from said protests. Good luck kids!
 
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1972 Grad said:
True. I always thought he would win because of 2 big things...... Republicans and Democrats. People were sick of both. They were sick of the Clinton/Obama/Bush and the establishment politicians. Trump spoke to them on a level that they could understand.

Heck, I didn't vote for him in the primary. I hated his guts a couple of years ago, and wouldn't watch The Apprentice because I couldn't stand him. I honestly believe that he wants to fix some of our problems that have been brought on by both parties.
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Damn, my memory is still pretty good apparently. Don't ask me to locate my keys though.
 
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luthervol said:
Excellent post. Is the ratio of statues in KY an accurate reflection of history or are they a reflection of something else? Something that people have every right to find offensive.
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Statues aren't so much a reflection of history as much as they are a reflection of what people of a later time choose to remember or honor.

Kentucky is generally considered to be a southern state and the people there identify as being in "the South." I'd say that's why you have way more Confederate monuments there than Union despite the fact they were neutral during the war and had many more Union volunteers than Confederate.

There are some areas within Confederate states, like East Tennessee and other places where there wasn't much plantation farming, where loyalty to the Union was very popular. Yet there is Confederate stuff everywhere. It is a reflection of the culture and what the people who erect the statues choose to identify with.
 
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1972 Grad said:
True. I always thought he would win because of 2 big things...... Republicans and Democrats. People were sick of both. They were sick of the Clinton/Obama/Bush and the establishment politicians. Trump spoke to them on a level that they could understand.

Heck, I didn't vote for him in the primary. I hated his guts a couple of years ago, and wouldn't watch The Apprentice because I couldn't stand him. I honestly believe that he wants to fix some of our problems that have been brought on by both parties.
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Cc: LutherVol

This is the overwhelming conclusion. The other conclusions represents a select few. Not saying it's not one to be drawn, but it's minutiae. Thanks 72 for letting my hijack your post.
 
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Obsessed said:
http://bigleaguepolitics.com/man-stabbed-antifa-mob-outside-home-not-condemning-nazis-hard-enough/

The victim, Sam Wormer, who identifies as neither right or left, is so concerned about the divide in the country that even after being attacked he wasn’t sure that his story should be told. Leftist friends of his confirmed to Big League Politics that he frequently sticks up for “marginalized members of the community.”

take off those masks, you cowards!
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Sam Wormer:
"I honestly dont think antifa had anything to do with this. I personally believe this was a false flag attack perpetrated by the far right to further their own agenda."
http://www.snopes.com/did-antifa-stab-vermont-man/
 
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FLVOL_79 said:
Hmm..

Homework assignment. Start adding up the people protesting "right wing causes"..then add up those protesting "left wing causes".


Bonus assignment : add up the arrests and property damage from said protests. Good luck kids!
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I don't support the violence and property damage done by any protester, but the reason the progressives protest more is because they are advocating change. If you like the status quo then there is usually no reason to protest.
 
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ClearwaterVol said:
I don't support the violence and property damage done by any protester, but the reason the progressives protest more is because they are advocating change. If you like the status quo then there is usually no reason to protest.
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Most are unemployed liberals with liberal arts degrees with nothing else better to do except for look for free Wi-Fi
 
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1972 Grad said:
True. I always thought he would win because of 2 big things...... Republicans and Democrats. People were sick of both. They were sick of the Clinton/Obama/Bush and the establishment politicians. Trump spoke to them on a level that they could understand.
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Phillip Roth:
I found much that was alarming about being a citizen during the tenures of Richard Nixon and George W. Bush. But, whatever I may have seen as their limitations of character or intellect, neither was anything like as humanly impoverished as Trump is: ignorant of government, of history, of science, of philosophy, or art, incapable of expressing or recognizing subtlety or nuance, destitute of all decency, and wielding a vocabulary of seventy-seven words that is better called Jerkish than English.”
 
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The great great grandsons of Thomas "Stonewall" Jackson have asked the City of Richmond to remove his statues.

Dear Richmond Mayor Levar Stoney and members of the Monument Avenue Commission,

We are native Richmonders and also the great-great-grandsons of Stonewall Jackson. As two of the closest living relatives to Stonewall, we are writing today to ask for the removal of his statue, as well as the removal of all Confederate statues from Monument Avenue. They are overt symbols of racism and white supremacy, and the time is long overdue for them to depart from public display. Overnight, Baltimore has seen fit to take this action. Richmond should, too.

In making this request, we wish to express our respect and admiration for Mayor Stoney’s leadership while also strongly disagreeing with his claim that “removal of symbols does [nothing] for telling the actual truth [nor] changes the state and culture of racism in this country today.” In our view, the removal of the Jackson statue and others will necessarily further difficult conversations about racial justice. It will begin to tell the truth of us all coming to our senses.

Last weekend, Charlottesville showed us unequivocally that Confederate statues offer pre-existing iconography for racists. The people who descended on Charlottesville last weekend were there to make a naked show of force for white supremacy. To them, the Robert E. Lee statue is a clear symbol of their hateful ideology. The Confederate statues on Monument Avenue are, too—especially Jackson, who faces north, supposedly as if to continue the fight.We are writing to say that we understand justice very differently from our grandfather’s grandfather, and we wish to make it clear his statue does not represent us.

Through our upbringing and education, we have learned much about Stonewall Jackson. We have learned about his reluctance to fight and his teaching of Sunday School to enslaved peoples in Lexington, Virginia, a potentially criminal activity at the time. We have learned how thoughtful and loving he was toward his family. But we cannot ignore his decision to own slaves, his decision to go to war for the Confederacy, and, ultimately, the fact that he was a white man fighting on the side of white supremacy.While we are not ashamed of our great-great-grandfather, we are ashamed to benefit from white supremacy while our black family and friends suffer. We are ashamed of the monument.

In fact, instead of lauding Jackson’s violence, we choose to celebrate Stonewall’s sister—our great-great-grandaunt—Laura Jackson Arnold. As an adult Laura became a staunch Unionist and abolitionist. Though she and Stonewall were incredibly close through childhood, she never spoke to Stonewall after his decision to support the Confederacy. We choose to stand on the right side of history with Laura Jackson Arnold.Confederate monuments like the Jackson statue were never intended as benign symbols. Rather, they were the clearly articulated artwork of white supremacy. Among many examples, we can see this plainly if we look at the dedication of a Confederate statue at the University of North Carolina, in which a speaker proclaimed that the Confederate soldier “saved the very life of the Anglo-Saxon race in the South.” Disturbingly, he went on to recount a tale of performing the “pleasing duty” of “horse whipping” a black woman in front of federal soldiers. All over the South, this grotesque message is conveyed by similar monuments. As importantly, this message is clear to today’s avowed white supremacists. There is also historical evidence that the statues on Monument Avenue were rejected by black Richmonders at the time of their construction. In the 1870s, John Mitchell, a black city councilman, called the monuments a tribute to “blood and treason” and voiced strong opposition to the use of public funds for building them. Speaking about the Lee Memorial, he vowed that there would come a time when African Americans would “be there to take it down.”One thing that bonds our extended family, besides our common ancestor, is that many have worked, often as clergy and as educators, for justice in their communities. While we do not purport to speak for all of Stonewall’s kin, our sense of justice leads us to believe that removing the Stonewall statue and other monuments should be part of a larger project of actively mending the racial disparities that hundreds of years of white supremacy have wrought. We hope other descendants of Confederate generals will stand with us.

As cities all over the South are realizing now, we are not in need of added context. We are in need of a new context—one in which the statues have been taken down.

Respectfully,
William Jackson Christian
Warren Edmund Christian
Great-great-grandsons of Thomas Jonathan “Stonewall” Jackson
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ClearwaterVol said:
I am also a little sick of the we're a third world country in terms of infrastructure crap. That is an outright lie.
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Really, it's not. Speaking from my background and experience, significant portions of it are failing inspections or on the brink of failing, due to age, conditions, corrosion, etc.

Rail trestles and highway/interstate overpasses and bridges.
 
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newarkvol said:
Phillip Roth:
I found much that was alarming about being a citizen during the tenures of Richard Nixon and George W. Bush. But, whatever I may have seen as their limitations of character or intellect, neither was anything like as humanly impoverished as Trump is: ignorant of government, of history, of science, of philosophy, or art, incapable of expressing or recognizing subtlety or nuance, destitute of all decency, and wielding a vocabulary of seventy-seven words that is better called Jerkish than English.”
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.......and that attitude (calling his supporters deplorables) helped your side lose.
 
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ClearwaterVol said:
I don't support the violence and property damage done by any protester, but the reason the progressives protest more is because they are advocating change. If you like the status quo then there is usually no reason to protest.
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They "protest" (riot) because they are anti American thugs.
 
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