Charlottesville white nationalists riots

[davethevol]

Martial law coming to a city near you...

Yep. That's ultimately the goal of Soros. He's one of the main players driving this thing.

 

[Bjorn_Yesterday]

Rewrite history to suit yourself then, Nazi.

Taking down a statue isn't "rewriting history", there are plenty of books that cover just how awful NBF was.

You are frothing at the mouth over a man who founded the KKK.

 

[joevol33]

Yeah, every boat should be destroyed too. It's a trigger thingy.

Pump the brakes brother, leave fishing boats out of this!

 

[n_huffhines]

.....and sending all black folk back to Africa? I would think they remind everyone of slavery.

Yeah, every boat should be destroyed too. It's a trigger thingy.

What in the **** is this? Monuments are impractical and serve no purpose other than to recognize something that happened. Getting rid of boats? Sending people to a continent they have never been to? How on earth are these valid comparisons to removing monuments that only exist to praise and/or remind us of what happened?

You are attempting to make your political opponents appear stupid with these false comparisons, but you guys are the ones who look silly to anyone with an open mind and half a brain.

 

[AirVol]

Taking down a statue isn't "rewriting history", there are plenty of books that cover just how awful NBF was.

You are frothing at the mouth over a man who founded the KKK.

Know your history, NBF did not found the KKK. Also I want you to educated yourself on where his slaves went and how they were treated after the war and get back to me.

 

[05_never_again]

The question that I have, and I don't mean this rhetorically, is "where does it end?"

Are you OK once the Confederate statues have been removed? Most of the rationale for removing them comes from the fact that they were racists and fought in a war against the United States in an attempt to perpetuate slavery.

Are you OK with monuments to people like Thomas Jefferson and George Washington? They didn't leave the Union and fight in a war against it, but they sure as hell were racists, owned slaves, were against the emancipation of slaves, and founded the country with the intention of keeping slavery intact as an institution.

Why stop at the Robert E. Lee statues?

 

[AirVol]

What in the **** is this? Monuments are impractical and serve no purpose other than to recognize something that happened. Getting rid of boats? Sending people to a continent they have never been to? How on earth are these valid comparisons to removing monuments that only exist to praise and/or remind us of what happened?

You are attempting to make your political opponents appear stupid with these false comparisons, but you guys are the ones who look silly to anyone with an open mind and half a brain.

Good, then tear down all monuments in DC.

 

[n_huffhines]

Good, then tear down all monuments in DC.

Another false comparison

 

[volinbham]

Taking down a statue isn't "rewriting history", there are plenty of books that cover just how awful NBF was.

You are frothing at the mouth over a man who founded the KKK.

Why on earth don't we remove the name of Robert Byrd from every building, etc.? The man was a Grand Wizard in the KKK.

 

[ETV]

Martial law coming to a city near you...

55 million gun owners v.s. those who can't decide which bathroom to use.

That will not end well.

 

[InVOLuntary]

I think the problem is the statues that are offensive to people of other races being glorified in courthouses, etc.

As far as places like Chickamauga and Gettysburg, the battle happened, it is a historical site. You go watch a movie about it at the museum. This is where those statues belong.

So we should tear down anything that's offensive? What about offensive language in public. I mean there is a lot of things I find offensive in public, both behavior and symbols.

 

[Obsessed]

55 million gun owners v.s. those who can't decide which bathroom to use.

That will not end well.

Agreed.

I know which side the military is on....

 

[n_huffhines]

Why on earth don't we remove the name of Robert Byrd from every building, etc.? The man was a Grand Wizard in the KKK.

If there are monuments to him, then yes, remove them.

 

[JCP201]

What in the **** is this? Monuments are impractical and serve no purpose other than to recognize something that happened. Getting rid of boats? Sending people to a continent they have never been to? How on earth are these valid comparisons to removing monuments that only exist to praise and/or remind us of what happened?

You are attempting to make your political opponents appear stupid with these false comparisons, but you guys are the ones who look silly to anyone with an open mind and half a brain.

It's not that hard to understand. The Book Depository, Ford Theater, Pearl Harbor, and the 911 Memorial plaza are not happy places, but they will remain. Just as the historical battlefields (where these monuments should be)

As for the Jefferson Memorial,etc. Jefferson is a founding father and president, constitution, etc. etc. His claim to fame isn't having slaves.

 

[hog88]

If there are monuments to him, then yes, remove them.

Naming a building is the same as establishing a monument.

 

[05_never_again]

As for the Jefferson Memorial,etc. Jefferson is a founding father and president, constitution, etc. etc. His claim to fame isn't having slaves.

So it is OK to have monuments for people who were racists and owned slaves as long as that wasn't their "claim to fame?"

There are some incredible mental gymnastics going on here.

If you want to tear down the Confederate stuff for the reasons described, there is absolutely no logical reason why you wouldn't also be in favor of getting rid of any monument to Washington, Jefferson, and most of the Founders. They all had the same ideas about slavery and black people.

If Jefferson and Washington were around at the time of the Civil War, it is highly likely they would have been members of the Confederacy (they were both Virginians).

 

[volbeast33]

It's not that hard to understand. The Book Depository, Ford Theater, Pearl Harbor, and the 911 Memorial plaza are not happy places, but they will remain. Just as the historical battlefields (where these monuments should be)

As for the Jefferson Memorial,etc. Jefferson is a founding father and president, constitution, etc. etc. His claim to fame isn't having slaves.

How is Robert lee's claim to fame slavery?

 

[SpaceCoastVol]

Do they hire and promote at the same rate?

Not sure what you mean by "rate", but in my industry everything goes by seniority. Doesn't matter your color, sex or any other idiotic metric.

 

[05_never_again]

How is Robert lee's claim to fame slavery?

His claim to fame is commanding the Confederate Army.

Still, the mental gymnastics you have to employ to say "tear down anything related to Robert E. Lee, keep anything from the Founding Fathers because it is different" must take a lot of flexibility.

 

[05_never_again]

So what I have so far is that it isn't the racist implications of the Confederate stuff that bothers you, but rather the treason and the fact that it was their "claim to fame."

Doesn't really seem all that consistent.

 

[SpaceCoastVol]

If there are monuments to him, then yes, remove them.

When he dies, there are going to be tributes out the wazoo. Book it.

 

[Franklin Pierce]

In a stealth purging of history, the city of Baltimore removed four Confederate statues from city property under cover of night early Tuesday morning.

The statues removed included a memorial to Supreme Court Justice Roger B. Taney as well as Confederate Generals Robert E. Lee and Thomas “Stonewall” Jackson.

Also eliminated in the middle of the night were monuments to Confederate soldiers and sailors and the Confederate Women’s monument.

 

[n_huffhines]

It's not that hard to understand. The Book Depository, Ford Theater, Pearl Harbor, and the 911 Memorial plaza are not happy places, but they will remain. Just as the historical battlefields (where these monuments should be)

How are these comparable? It's not just about them being unpleasant memories.

I've never been there, but I don't think Pearl Harbor has a statue of Yamamoto.

Preserving a battlefield cannot be seen as an endorsement of either side, thus it is not controversial.

As for the Jefferson Memorial,etc. Jefferson is a founding father and president, constitution, etc. etc. His claim to fame isn't having slaves.

Now this is somewhat of a valid concern. I agree that some group of people would like to have Jefferson removed for his slave holding. The 2 are different in the sense that when people think of confederacy, they think of slavery. The association is so strong. But for most people, slavery is like the 10th thing they think of about Jefferson, and Jefferson has the excuse that he wasn't behind the times like the confederacy was.

 

[n_huffhines]

Naming a building is the same as establishing a monument.

OK, then remove it.

 

[Franklin Pierce]

The Hollywood Forever Cemetery will remove a memorial to Confederate veterans buried at the site, thanks in part to threats of vandalism, as well as requests from activists, according to a Tuesday report in the Los Angeles Times.

Dallas Mayor Mike Rawlings announced Tuesday that an appointed task force and independent advisors will arbitrate the fate of Confederate monuments on the city’s public land, a dilemma sparked by the violence in Charlottesville on Saturday.