Charlottesville white nationalists riots

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Septic said:
Yes, he's always been the reasoned harbinger of patience and measured responses - commenting only after the facts are weighed and investigations are complete. Never being one to make assumptions or make knee jerk comments. Trump is a pillar of reason that we should all aspire to emulate.

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Fo real tho' - the heat undoubtedly was unbearable, even the dumb trump kid (eric?) would've known better. It's amazing it took two days for his handlers to shame him into it. Mad respect for his babysitters.
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Trump or not, lying or not, it is better to ascertain the facts without making knee jerk reactions, no?

I mean, hell, he could be like some members of Congress that don't even wait for bodies to be cold to stand on top of them and make a stump speech. If memory serves, the Orlando shooting wasn't even over before someone popped off about increased gun control.

Anyway, you can admit waiting isn't a bad tactic. Now, we can debate two days worth of waiting, but certainly condemning a group or groups before the facts are known isn't always the best tactic.
 
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lawgator1 said:
I said he could condemn both, but he needed to call out the white supremacists and neonazis by name.

Saying he had to make sure they were there, first, is just idiotic.
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Why do you make such a big deal out of condemnation? Do you think the average American gives a Fudge about these stupid protests? I know all I saw was people wearing helmets on each side swinging bats. Neither one of those sides represents me, maybe they do you?
 
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And now he just said again both sides were to blame.

He just cannot help himself, can he? From birthirism, to taking three times before he condemned Duke and only awkwardly at that, to bashing Mexicans, to bashing judges' heritage, to courting the alt right based on racism, to considering pardoning Sheriff Joe, to refusing to decry white supremacists until forced to do so and now backing off of that ....

Honestly, I don't know how or why you guys just keep on trying to defend him. Its useless. He's headed for a meltdown of epic proportions and will soon say something absolutely unforgivable.
 
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lawgator1 said:
And now he just said again both sides were to blame.

He just cannot help himself, can he? From birthirism, to taking three times before he condemned Duke and only awkwardly at that, to bashing Mexicans, to bashing judges' heritage, to courting the alt right based on racism, to considering pardoning Sheriff Joe, to refusing to decry white supremacists until forced to do so and now backing off of that ....

Honestly, I don't know how or why you guys just keep on trying to defend him. Its useless. He's headed for a meltdown of epic proportions and will soon say something absolutely unforgivable.
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Ok. Now you got him???
 
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Grand Vol said:
Trump or not, lying or not, it is better to ascertain the facts without making knee jerk reactions, no?

I mean, hell, he could be like some members of Congress that don't even wait for bodies to be cold to stand on top of them and make a stump speech. If memory serves, the Orlando shooting wasn't even over before someone popped off about increased gun control.

Anyway, you can admit waiting isn't a bad tactic. Now, we can debate two days worth of waiting, but certainly condemning a group or groups before the facts are known isn't always the best tactic.
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Of course waiting and examining facts is the most prudent route, it's what reasonable people do. That's not what trump did. He took sht for what he didn't say and was shamed into a do over.

I don't think one needs to be measured or use kids gloves when speaking about known hate groups like the neo nazi skin heads and nazi's. He'd have been pretty safe to assume they weren't helping old lady's across the street in Charlottesville.
 
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Grand Vol said:
I don't buy Starbucks either.

Maxwell House and if I feel like splurging, I get the 8 O'Clock coffee.
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Very well. Just letting you know there are other options out there cheaper and better than Starbucks. I've never been disappointed with his roasts. That stuff through an aero press is an essential for the work week for me.
 
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lawgator1 said:
And now he just said again both sides were to blame.

He just cannot help himself, can he? From birthirism, to taking three times before he condemned Duke and only awkwardly at that, to bashing Mexicans, to bashing judges' heritage, to courting the alt right based on racism, to considering pardoning Sheriff Joe, to refusing to decry white supremacists until forced to do so and now backing off of that ....

Honestly, I don't know how or why you guys just keep on trying to defend him. Its useless. He's headed for a meltdown of epic proportions and will soon say something absolutely unforgivable.
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It's a heavy flow day
 
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lawgator1 said:
And now he just said again both sides were to blame.

He just cannot help himself, can he? From birthirism, to taking three times before he condemned Duke and only awkwardly at that, to bashing Mexicans, to bashing judges' heritage, to courting the alt right based on racism, to considering pardoning Sheriff Joe, to refusing to decry white supremacists until forced to do so and now backing off of that ....

Honestly, I don't know how or why you guys just keep on trying to defend him. Its useless. He's headed for a meltdown of epic proportions and will soon say something absolutely unforgivable.
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Honest question. Were republicans as bad as you're being under Obama?
 
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DEFENDTHISHOUSE said:
Honest question. Were republicans as bad as you're being under Obama?
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There's no comparison. Trump is just ... its hard to put into words what a complete disaster this guy is.

At this point, the House and Senate GOP have to got to be praying that Mueller gives them an excuse to get rid of him. He could easily cost them everything in the next two cycles.
 
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Septic said:
Of course waiting and examining facts is the most prudent route, it's what reasonable people do. That's not what trump did. He took sht for what he didn't say and was shamed into a do over.

I don't think one needs to be measured or use kids gloves when speaking about known hate groups like the neo nazi skin heads and nazi's. He'd have been pretty safe to assume they weren't helping old lady's across the street in Charlottesville.
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He took ish for not jumping to conclusions and being very generic in his statement.

I mean seriously? WTF was wrong with saying violence had no place or not immediately pointing fingers? Are we that eager as a society to place blame we can't even wait to get facts straight?
 
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Regardless of what else he said, he was right about the Washington/Jefferson counter-argument. It may not be within say the next decade but within 20/30 years down the road we will be having the same debates on wanting to take down statues/monuments to our Founding Fathers. Hell even now, in some circles, the debates have already started.
 
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lawgator1 said:
And now he just said again both sides were to blame.
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Who do you think was responsible for this? The alt right or the alt left? Both sides set themselves up for a fight and they got what the asked for. If you're wearing a helmet you didn't show up to protest, you showed up to fight.
 
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Burhead said:
Regardless of what else he said, he was right about the Washington/Jefferson counter-argument. It may not be within say the next decade but within 20/30 years down the road we will be having the same debates on wanting to take down statues/monuments to our Founding Fathers. Hell even now, in some circles, the debates have already started.
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I'm ok with removing statues of FF. They gave us something far better than memorials. The Constitution.
 
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Grand Vol said:
He took ish for not jumping to conclusions and being very generic in his statement.

I mean seriously? WTF was wrong with saying violence had no place or not immediately pointing fingers? Are we that eager as a society to place blame we can't even wait to get facts straight?
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Stop playing coy, you're trying to apply rational thought to an irrational man.

You honestly believe that he was really, truly waiting for the facts (this time)? Something he's never done before?

Pshh you know but clearly don't want to admit that he was hoping not to piss off some of the fringe elements of his base.

David Duke thanked him for that explicitly.
 
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VolStrom said:
Who do you think was responsible for this? The alt right or the alt left? Both sides set themselves up for a fight and they got what the asked for. If you're wearing a helmet you didn't show up to protest, you showed up to fight.
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The only difference between the 2 sides in Charlottesville is that one side caused one more death than the other did. If the person had been injured instead of killed, it would be a wash.
 
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