Charlottesville white nationalists riots

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Rasputin_Vol said:
You guys on the left made the same kind of attacks on a good man named Ron Paul. Yet, I've never seen you all push Obama to call out "Islamic terrorism".
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But here we have a violent group of white supremacists and a President who won't criticize them by name. He can criticize others that are violent or promote violence, but he needs to in this case do it by name.

Politically it seems to me that he would gain a lot more respect and votes than he would lose if he would just say that a group that organizes around a theory of racial superiority and tolerates or foments violence to promote it is unacceptable in today's U S of A.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
A month or so ago, I got battered in here for people over-reacting to a piece of cloth called the American flag. Now, I call the Confederate flag a piece of cloth and the level of outrage is no where near the same. Yet my point about both is the same. It amazes me how grown adults (on both sides) can get so butt hurt over flags, symbolism and other things that don't really matter.
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Yeah, it's pretty weird. The left love to hate one but burn the other - the symbol of the part of the country that forced the part of the country carrying the Confederate flag to capitulate. Apparently outrage over a "piece of cloth" or statue or whatever just depends on which day and on which side of the road someone is standing.

Sounds a lot like flexible logic driving the inflexible intolerance of "the tolerant".
 
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lawgator1 said:
But here we have a violent group of white supremacists and a President who won't criticize them by name. He can criticize others that are violent or promote violence, but he needs to in this case do it by name.

Politically it seems to me that he would gain a lot more respect and votes than he would lose if he would just say that a group that organizes around a theory of racial superiority and tolerates or foments violence to promote it is unacceptable in today's U S of A.
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And still I ask, if it is a good practice for those on the right to have to come out and denounce groups that are on the fringes, then why don't we see the same level of outrage aimed at leftists whenever groups of the extreme left engage in violence and buffoonery? You guys on the left have no idea about balance.
 
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lawgator1 said:
But here we have a violent group of white supremacists and a President who won't criticize them by name. He can criticize others that are violent or promote violence, but he needs to in this case do it by name.

Politically it seems to me that he would gain a lot more respect and votes than he would lose if he would just say that a group that organizes around a theory of racial superiority and tolerates or foments violence to promote it is unacceptable in today's U S of A.
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There was a violent leftist group. Don't forget that.
 
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McDad said:
I'm outraged. Not as much as LG who immediately jumped in his car, driving to Charlotte to assist with quelling the riot.

Mine's more of a quiet, stay at home version.
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I'm enjoying it. Let them off each other. Both groups are worthless. No loss to be had.
 
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NashVol11 said:
You know what's a surer sign you can't argue any point I made? Saying, "I can't talk about this anymore." Lol.

I literally said there is a large number of black people that do not like the Confederate flag. That is a fact; there is nothing in that statement that you can argue with. You are inventing arguments based on other things you assume I believe.

Oh, and based on my "pet theory," which I am still waiting on you to describe. But conveniently, you decided I am unworthy of your time right after you were asked to describe it. Funny how that happens.
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People, of any color, are allowed to hate any flag they want. It doesn't justify a violent response. Hell, the SCOTUS allows for Old Glory to be burned in protest, a flag that represents far more than the Confederate flag. Why? Free speech. We have this little thing called the Constitution that allows for that. You don't have to agree with what others are saying, but respect the fact they have the right to make dumbasses of themselves. And as despicable as their message is, the white nationalists filled out the forms and had the permits for their protest. It was a lawful assembly. Horrible message, but all within their rights as American citizens.
 
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Weezer said:
People, of any color, are allowed to hate any flag they want. It doesn't justify a violent response. Hell, the SCOTUS allows for Old Glory to be burned in protest, a flag that represents far more than the Confederate flag. Why? Free speech. We have this little thing called the Constitution that allows for that. You don't have to agree with what others are saying, but respect the fact they have the right to make dumbasses of themselves. And as despicable as their message is, the white nationalists filled out the forms and had the permits for their protest. It was a lawful assembly. Horrible message, but all within their rights as American citizens.
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Would you agree that the racist black grourps have the same message?
 
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Weezer said:
People, of any color, are allowed to hate any flag they want. It doesn't justify a violent response. Hell, the SCOTUS allows for Old Glory to be burned in protest, a flag that represents far more than the Confederate flag. Why? Free speech. We have this little thing called the Constitution that allows for that. You don't have to agree with what others are saying, but respect the fact they have the right to make dumbasses of themselves. And as despicable as their message is, the white nationalists filled out the forms and had the permits for their protest. It was a lawful assembly. Horrible message, but all within their rights as American citizens.
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The left attacks the 1st and 2nd Amendments and the right attacks the 4th and 5th Amendments. Each side does what they do specifically to squeeze every bit of liberty out of the people on both ends of the spectrum.
 
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Vol8188 said:
I'm enjoying it. Let them off each other. Both groups are worthless. No loss to be had.
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I'm with you, people who head into that toilet bowl know what they're getting in to.

In fact, I encourage these losers to head in to combat with garbage can lid shields.

#thinningtheheard
 
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lawgator1 said:
But here we have a violent group of white supremacists and a President who won't criticize them by name. He can criticize others that are violent or promote violence, but he needs to in this case do it by name.

Politically it seems to me that he would gain a lot more respect and votes than he would lose if he would just say that a group that organizes around a theory of racial superiority and tolerates or foments violence to promote it is unacceptable in today's U S of A.
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And Obama wouldn't condem BLM
 
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zeppelin128 said:
When in a thread about my side's issues, I would. But this is a thread about neo-Nazis, the alt-right, and the KKK. We should all be ashamed of yesterday, regardless of political affiliation. It makes me sick, as a Southern White male millennial, that those cowards hiding behind their bedsheets still have a presence in Southern culture. They have a right to speech, but that doesn't make them any less wrong. You think they'd die off eventually, but they keep coming back.

Terrorists and traitors, every last one.
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What you should be ashamed of is your identity politics and inability to rationalize things on your own. Instead you carry around guilt for something you had no part in, something that ended a long time ago, something that was an accepted practice in the day.

Just think of all those people who could be walking around today contemplating either suicide or violence because their ancestors thought the sun circled the earth, that the earth was flat, or worshiped some weird object as a deity.

If you analyze the past with today's eyes you'll always get the wrong answer. The past happened, accept it, get over it.
 
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NashVol11 said:
We were talking about disliking the Confederate flag. Does one have to have been a slave to receive your approval to dislike the Confederate flag? Must one have been in a concentration camp before you allow them to dislike the Nazi flag?

To use your words, this is the BS that annoys me.
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They can dislike whatever they want. That doesn't give them the right to beat the hell out of people.
 
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Weezer said:
People, of any color, are allowed to hate any flag they want. It doesn't justify a violent response. Hell, the SCOTUS allows for Old Glory to be burned in protest, a flag that represents far more than the Confederate flag. Why? Free speech. We have this little thing called the Constitution that allows for that. You don't have to agree with what others are saying, but respect the fact they have the right to make dumbasses of themselves. And as despicable as their message is, the white nationalists filled out the forms and had the permits for their protest. It was a lawful assembly. Horrible message, but all within their rights as American citizens.
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Where did I say it justified a violent response?

I'll wait while you find it
 
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