I apologize in advance....

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Grand Vol said:
And just for giggles, the "Untouchable" coaches:

Saban (shocker)
Swinney (another shocker)
Joe Moglia (Coastal Carolina, don't know anything about them, but it's kind of a "wait...wut...why" choice)
Jimbo Fisher (agree)
Bill Snyder (He'll go when he wants, K State ain't in any hurry)
Jim Harbaugh (agree, but he'll have to start showing improvement for the big salary)
Ken Niumatalolo (agree, good coach)
Urban (imagine that...)
Rocky Long (kind of a stretch)
David Shaw (agree)
Gary Patterson (not sure about this one)
Chris Petersen (agree)
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I am amazed that the Michigan fans haven't started to be antsy with Harbaugh. He hasn't even won his division yet.
 
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I dont care what anyone says.... Butch's seat has to be getting pretty warm after the disaster of a season we had in 2016. Butch gets a free pass for his first two years, but starting in 2015 he had a roster capable of winning the East and there has been a whole lot of epic fail since then.
 
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Behr said:
Nobody cares.
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You should care if you want UT to be relevant. The fact is the Vols regressed from 2015 to 2016 despite having by far the most experienced and talented team in the East. To go from losing to Florida and Oklahoma to losing to Vandy and South Carolina is not progress. Those facts alone put him on the hot seat.
 
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Longsufferingvol said:
You should care if you want UT to be relevant. The fact is the Vols regressed from 2015 to 2016 despite having by far the most experienced and talented team in the East. To go from losing to Florida and Oklahoma to losing to Vandy and South Carolina is not progress. Those facts alone put him on the hot seat.
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You said you didn't care what anyone says. I'll rephrase my comment. I don't care what you say. Better?

Seriously, I don't care. It doesn't matter what I think or what you think. It makes no difference.
 
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Butch can go 7-5 and he keeps his job or could lose it...depends on what other Marquee programs will be courting Chip Kelly. If Sumlin or Brian Kelly get fired before the end of October then too much competition for Chip Kelly, meaning Butch is good at 7-5 or even 6-6. However, if TN struggles early, and there are fewer suitors for CCK, then 7-5 might be a fireable offense. Particularly if we go 3-5 in conference...which is very possible...assuming we lose the games we'll be underdogs in (UGA, FL, Bama, LSU) and we drop one of the other conf games (which is Jones's M.O.) Then well be at 7-5.
 
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volfan102455 said:
I am amazed that the Michigan fans haven't started to be antsy with Harbaugh. He hasn't even won his division yet.
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Not sure why. 5 of his 6 Ls in his 2 years there are by an average of a fg.

I doubt they are ready to go back to losing to Rutgers and Maryland just yet.
 
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Glocker_Alum_2005 said:
Butch can go 7-5 and he keeps his job or could lose it...depends on what other Marquee programs will be courting Chip Kelly. If Sumlin or Brian Kelly get fired before the end of October then too much competition for Chip Kelly, meaning Butch is good at 7-5 or even 6-6. However, if TN struggles early, and there are fewer suitors for CCK, then 7-5 might be a fireable offense. Particularly if we go 3-5 in conference...which is very possible...assuming we lose the games we'll be underdogs in (UGA, FL, Bama, LSU) and we drop one of the other conf games (which is Jones's M.O.) Then well be at 7-5.
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Tennessee and Chip Kelly are not a good fit for many different reasons.
 
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BeecherVol said:
Not sure why. 5 of his 6 Ls in his 2 years there are by an average of a fg.

I doubt they are ready to go back to losing to Rutgers and Maryland just yet.
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I guess different standards for Michigan than Tennessee. Maybe Michigan fans are not as caught up in winning championships as Tennessee fans are.
 
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Then again this is only Harbaugh 3rd year. If he ends up 3rd in the division again - I suspect the natives will begin to get restless. He never won the conference championship at Stanford either.
 
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volfan102455 said:
This actually sounds where CBJ really should be all things considered. He is not a 0, he is not a 1 because of the Vandy loss. Had the team beat Vandy, he would probably be a 1.
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You left out the most important thing at this point....There is no chance our football program (that includes AD,Administration, presidents, real boosters, etc) have ANY stomach for a head coaching search for the football program. Regardless of what some emotional fans think CBJ is just now getting the Vols on stable ground. THAT WAS HIS MANDATE FROM THE BEGINNING..,.how many times must we go over this? Just curious....
 
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tennrich1 said:
You left out the most important thing at this point....There is no chance our football program (that includes AD,Administration, presidents, real boosters, etc) have ANY stomach for a head coaching search for the football program. Regardless of what some emotional fans think CBJ is just now getting the Vols on stable ground. THAT WAS HIS MANDATE FROM THE BEGINNING..,.how many times must we go over this? Just curious....
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I don't know. Seems like there is a group that desperately wants to push this.

There is a lot of energy within the team and coaching staff right now, 2018 recruiting is looking really really good - I don't know why folks can't get behind these team rather than continue to try to pull it apart.
 
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Longsufferingvol said:
I dont care what anyone says.... Butch's seat has to be getting pretty warm after the disaster of a season we had in 2016. Butch gets a free pass for his first two years, but starting in 2015 he had a roster capable of winning the East and there has been a whole lot of epic fail since then.
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9-4, with wins over Virginia Tech, Florida, Georgia, and Nebraska doesn't qualify as a disaster. It wasn't what we hoped for but by all means it was a pretty good season. Get a grip, and have some patience.
 
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volfan102455 said:
I guess different standards for Michigan than Tennessee. Maybe Michigan fans are not as caught up in winning championships as Tennessee fans are.
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Cause Harbaugh, in his second year at Michigan, going 10-3 for the second year in a row with a 7-2 conference record, having losses to Iowa by 1, #2 Ohio State by 3, and #10 Florida State by 1, is totally the same situation as Butch losing to Vanderbilt and South Carolina in his 4th season at UT to end up 8-4 (4-4).

Yep, totally the same situation.:thud:
 
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Glocker_Alum_2005 said:
Butch can go 7-5 and he keeps his job or could lose it...depends on what other Marquee programs will be courting Chip Kelly. If Sumlin or Brian Kelly get fired before the end of October then too much competition for Chip Kelly, meaning Butch is good at 7-5 or even 6-6. However, if TN struggles early, and there are fewer suitors for CCK, then 7-5 might be a fireable offense. Particularly if we go 3-5 in conference...which is very possible...assuming we lose the games we'll be underdogs in (UGA, FL, Bama, LSU) and we drop one of the other conf games (which is Jones's M.O.) Then well be at 7-5.
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Brian Kelly will never be the coach at UT. The school wouldn't want him. Probably your looking at Greg Schiano or Jim Leavitt being considered...they are the best available coaches in the market...both have coached at the college level. Schiano at Rutgers and now DC at Ohio St. and Leavitt at USF, Colorado and now DC at Oregon. Both were pro coaches as Schiano was head coach of the Tampa Bay Bucs and Leavitt was LB coach of the San Francisco 49ers. The other potential coaches are not going to come to Knoxville...e.g. Patterson, Stoops, Peterson, Strong, Harbaugh, Meyer, Herman, Diantonio, Rodriquez, etc.
 
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volfan102455 said:
I guess different standards for Michigan than Tennessee. Maybe Michigan fans are not as caught up in winning championships as Tennessee fans are.
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Yeah I'm sure that's what it is. I'd bet he would be getting more heat if he couldn't navigate the SEC east any better by year 3 or 4.
 
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volfan102455 said:
Then again this is only Harbaugh 3rd year. If he ends up 3rd in the division again - I suspect the natives will begin to get restless. He never won the conference championship at Stanford either.
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Harbaugh was also an egregious blown call from Ohio resident officials away from beating Ohio State and making the playoff last year.
 
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jarnol32 said:
9-4, with wins over Virginia Tech, Florida, Georgia, and Nebraska doesn't qualify as a disaster. It wasn't what we hoped for but by all means it was a pretty good season. Get a grip, and have some patience.
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You are leaving out the fact that we almost lost to Georgia and App State and needed miracle plays to win those games (thus we were 2 plays away from 6-6). You are also leaving out the fact that the team looked sloppy in almost every game (7 or 8 turnovers cost us the A&M game as just one example). And lets not even address the Vandy and South Carolina losses.
 
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BeardedVol said:
Cause Harbaugh, in his second year at Michigan, going 10-3 for the second year in a row with a 7-2 conference record, having losses to Iowa by 1, #2 Ohio State by 3, and #10 Florida State by 1, is totally the same situation as Butch losing to Vanderbilt and South Carolina in his 4th season at UT to end up 8-4 (4-4).

Yep, totally the same situation.:thud:
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He hasn't won a championship. For many on here that is the rub.

Iowa lost 5 last year and got blew out by Penn State the week before they beat Michigan. They had 4 losses going into the Michigan game. And Florida beat Iowa 30-3. Iowa = Michigan's Vandy / South Carolina.
 
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BigOrangeMojo said:
Harbaugh was also an egregious blown call from Ohio resident officials away from beating Ohio State and making the playoff last year.
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The funny thing is that if this were Tennessee you would be blaming CBJ for the officials mistake.

You folks are priceless - make excuses for other coaches while raking the coach of your team over the coals making everything his mistake.
 
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volfan102455 said:
He hasn't won a championship. For many on here that is the rub.

Iowa lost 5 last year and got blew out by Penn State the week before they beat Michigan. They had 4 losses going into the Michigan game. And Florida beat Iowa 30-3. Iowa = Michigan's Vandy / South Carolina.
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So Iowa = Vanderbilt/South Carolina because they lost to Penn State....the 2016 B1G Champion who ended the season 10-3 (8-1)? Wow, I mean, there's stretching the imagination, and then there's this... :crazy:
 
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BeardedVol said:
Cause Harbaugh, in his second year at Michigan, going 10-3 for the second year in a row with a 7-2 conference record, having losses to Iowa by 1, #2 Ohio State by 3, and #10 Florida State by 1, is totally the same situation as Butch losing to Vanderbilt and South Carolina in his 4th season at UT to end up 8-4 (4-4).

Yep, totally the same situation.:thud:
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Why did you use Harbaugh's record including the bowl game and not for Butch?

Not a big deal, I know you had a reason, I'm just curious what it was.
 
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BeardedVol said:
So Iowa = Vanderbilt/South Carolina because they lost to Penn State....the 2016 B1G Champion who ended the season 10-3 (8-1)? Wow, I mean, there's stretching the imagination, and then there's this... :crazy:
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IMO you win this silly argument, but you just did what you do so well.
 
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BeardedVol said:
So Iowa = Vanderbilt/South Carolina because they lost to Penn State....the 2016 B1G Champion who ended the season 10-3 (8-1)? Wow, I mean, there's stretching the imagination, and then there's this... :crazy:
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Actually he was 7-2 and 3rd in the Eastern division of the BIG in 2016 and 6-2 and 3rd in the Eastern division of the BIG in 2015. He has finished no higher than 3rd. His conference record in 2016 would have him tied with Wisconsin for 3rd over all. His conference record in 2015 would have him tied for 4th overall with Northwestern and Wisconsin. Brady Hoke was 2nd in the conference his first two years.

My point was that he has NOT won a championship of any kind in his last 6 years of coaching in the college ranks. And he supposedly took over a team loaded with talent at Michigan but has not finished any higher than 3rd in his division.

And if he is all that folks say he is - he really should finish no lower than 2nd in that division - but both years he lost to a team that he should have been able to beat.

This is the exact same argument that some of you use with CBJ but you fail to use it with other coaches - rather you give them a break.
 
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