Recruiting Forum Football Talk XXXIV

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bignewt said:
Bottom line is that regardless of this year's results there is not a coach out there we could get that would not set us back...again. If you know one out there that we would pay that could keep this great class together and put together a staff this good, im all ears. Even after a 6-6 or 7-5 year, CBJ is our best option moving forward.
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This is all speculation, man.


There are coaches out there right now serving as G5 HCs or Coordinators for P5 teams who will be among the top coaches in the country 5-10 years from now. It's just a matter of identifying them. The law of averages says that there's someone out there that could hit the ground running here.


We can't really say whether Butch is the best bet moving forward until we see what he does with the team he has this year and the level of progression/regression under his leadership. And I think a lot more will go into that than the number of wins necessarily.

If he can get team 121 back to playing tough, disciplined ball, I think it will all take care of itself and we won't have to worry about a coaching search, even if we're not thrilled with the W/L record. If the team seems as disinterested and disunited at they did at times last year AND we're lacking in the W/L column, then I think you can make a strong argument that this year's recruiting class stands a good chance of falling apart on its own and it might be time to bring in someone new to reenergize the players on campus as well as the fanbase.
 
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drvenner said:
The fact remains that it is a fact and it is relevant. Of course Dooley and Kiffin should be in the conversation. They were short-term coaches who, together, made the biggest trainwreck our program has had in my 50+ year lifetime. I do agree that the jury is still out. Butch does need to take the next step and he has, in my opinion, made the right moves to do that. We will, of course, see, this Fall. I think that we do we in the East, for the record.
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I'm expecting a successful season as well. Maybe not winning the east (mainly because our schedule is tougher than UGA/UF, not because I think they'll necessarily be better), but a good season.


I just don't think that discussing how bad Kiffin and Dooley were for the program should feature into the conversation that much when it comes to retaining/extending/firing Butch come December. Now that thingns are stable, those two just aren't all that relevant to whether Butch deserves more time or not.
 
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bignewt said:
Bottom line is that regardless of this year's results there is not a coach out there we could get that would not set us back...again. If you know one out there that we would pay that could keep this great class together and put together a staff this good, im all ears. Even after a 6-6 or 7-5 year, CBJ is our best option moving forward.
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Who you gon git?
 
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I want to see good discipline football like we saw the first three years. Playing hard for 60 minutes was what made me like watching UT football with Butch at the helm. He made coaching mistakes but the team played hard and discipline. Last year despite 9 wins was very ugly. I want to see Butch ball with good decisions for the most part. That is what is needed for them to get back to a championship level team.
 
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It really makes me wonder if the S&C is in fact the most important coach on the team. Without conditioning, elite athletes aren't. Ditto for discipline. Those failures trump virtually everything done by other coaches.
 
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WallyBalls said:
Who was the previous SID? I know they promoted Satkowiak (sp?) to replace him but I can't think of his name.

I noticed Brice and several media members throwing some decent shade at whoever the former guy was on Twitter. WVLT has a story about Jack Jones visiting Vietnam and Brice mentioned he tried it months ago but SID wasn't helpful. Several media people chimed in to agree.
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Was it Ryan Robinson?

Or Jimmy Stanton before him?
 
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SSVol said:
It really makes me wonder if the S&C is in fact the most important coach on the team. Without conditioning, elite athletes aren't. Ditto for discipline. Those failures trump virtually everything done by other coaches.
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That coaching role is absolutely critical. If they can't compete physically or stay injured all the time - the team is in trouble as we have seen play out. Of the weaknesses of Butch's time as HC - S&C along with no solely dedicated QB coach were the two big ones IMO. He's not much of a game day coach, but his coordinators should have the ability to reduce that as an issue.

To his credit Butch recognized the problems and corrected them. We all wish they had never been issues as they are very basic to running a top program. But at least he fixed it.
 
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JacketVol said:
I want to see good discipline football like we saw the first three years. Playing hard for 60 minutes was what made me like watching UT football with Butch at the helm. He made coaching mistakes but the team played hard and discipline. Last year despite 9 wins was very ugly. I want to see Butch ball with good decisions for the most part. That is what is needed for them to get back to a championship level team.
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I 100% agree. Hoping that last season was an outlier. A strong S&C is the foundation for that discipline. Looks like that has been handled.

I don't see the loss of Dobbs, Barnett, Malone and Kamara as being as big as some on here. Barnett is not replaceable as he did his thing with minimal assistance from the others on the D-line. But as a unit they can be much improved this season with recovery from injuries and strong development for Hoke. Dobbs was the #135 pick in the NFL draft for good reasons. He did some things really well and other things not so good. Kamara is special, but also had fumbling concerns and was under utilized last season. Callaway and others should replace Malone's production reasonably well.

9+ wins plus a really good shot at the SECCG. Butch recovers his mojo.
 
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Vols4us said:
That coaching role is absolutely critical. If they can't compete physically or stay injured all the time - the team is in trouble as we have seen play out. Of the weaknesses of Butch's time as HC - S&C along with no solely dedicated QB coach were the two big ones IMO. He's not much of a game day coach, but his coordinators should have the ability to reduce that as an issue.

To his credit Butch recognized the problems and corrected them. We all wish they had never been issues as they are very basic to running a top program. But at least he fixed it.
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Hard to give too much credit. He mitigated the biggest error of his coaching career after it was to late.

I'm glad he didn't double down on the mistake though. Kudos for that, I suppose.
 
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McGeesPub said:
Hard to give too much credit. He mitigated the biggest error of his coaching career after it was to late.

I'm glad he didn't double down on the mistake though. Kudos for that, I suppose.
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Maybe Rock was always his guy, but he overestimated the ability of Lawson's assistant to keep it together for a year until Rock was available.
 
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OGbabyaviVol said:
I wonder if this is why they are struggling recruiting.
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If a lawsuit comes into play, which is still a possibility, then I think we all know how that will effect recruiting. One quote that made me laugh when reading the article though was this though:

He denied any wrongdoing, in part because he said he was so high on marijuana that he had "no interest in having sex with anyone."

What an alibi that is 😂
 
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Darth_Shiveman said:
This is all speculation, man.


There are coaches out there right now serving as G5 HCs or Coordinators for P5 teams who will be among the top coaches in the country 5-10 years from now. It's just a matter of identifying them. The law of averages says that there's someone out there that could hit the ground running here.


We can't really say whether Butch is the best bet moving forward until we see what he does with the team he has this year and the level of progression/regression under his leadership. And I think a lot more will go into that than the number of wins necessarily.

If he can get team 121 back to playing tough, disciplined ball, I think it will all take care of itself and we won't have to worry about a coaching search, even if we're not thrilled with the W/L record. If the team seems as disinterested and disunited at they did at times last year AND we're lacking in the W/L column, then I think you can make a strong argument that this year's recruiting class stands a good chance of falling apart on its own and it might be time to bring in someone new to reenergize the players on campus as well as the fanbase.
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Actually i would say the law of averages is against us...and what this fan base gonna wait another 5 years for that said coach to come into his own here? Fat chance.

As for speculation, every post regarding our future falls in that category, does it not?
 
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jakez4ut said:
CBJ. he's a non believer at this point, given the results of the past two years. he, and a few others that were fairly high on us in 15 and 16 have backed way off their "belief". booger mcfarland comes to mind as well.

in their line of work, better to be right...gotta have some credibility after all, so now they're hedging their bet and attempting not to make the same mistake twice. they'll fall in with the crowd and pick GA and Bama, or FL and Bama, and look like they know what they're talking about again....lol.

i get it. don't really like it, but i get it. in the end, doesn't really matter.
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He is really going to start to gain a disdain for Tennessee when they mess up his prediction for a 3rd year in a row.
 
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JacketVol said:
I want to see good discipline football like we saw the first three years. Playing hard for 60 minutes was what made me like watching UT football with Butch at the helm. He made coaching mistakes but the team played hard and discipline. Last year despite 9 wins was very ugly. I want to see Butch ball with good decisions for the most part. That is what is needed for them to get back to a championship level team.
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Just come out and hit somebody in the mouth on both sides of the ball all game. Can we flat out dominate one supposed big game and send the message that Tennessee football is not a damn mediocre brand.
 
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Geronimo said:
9-3 is floor. No way UF stays within 2 scores of us, regardless of home field or our unknown qb situation. Losses are to UGA, LSU, and Bama and I'm not convinced LSU can beat us. Matt Canada has a good reputation but that offense was atrocious last year. And to be honest, UGA is a toss up.

JMO...which isn't worth much.

GBO
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Y'all realize we have Jawja at home this year...right? I like our chances at home.
 
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LaagerVol said:
Oh yay, let's have a "what does it take to get Butch Jones fired" discussion. That's never been talked about on here.....
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If we don't rehash every football related topic, the "stay in topic" police won't shut up. Impossible to male everyone happy lol
 
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