Anti-Trump Hysteria and Silliness

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luthervol said:
I don't think anyone has ever claimed the EPA is perfect or that there are not changes and improvements that need to be made. That's true of every government agency, every corporation, every church, every marriage, and every individual. That in no way is proof that the entity is useless and should be disbanded. Bottom line is Trump places the environment far lower on his list of priorities than most people.
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The federal EPA absolutely needs to be disbanded, every state in the union has it's own.
 
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hog88 said:
So out of the goodness of their hearts and against their corporate masters the elected officials passed environmental regulations?
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I have yet to witness or hear about legislation pass where altruism trumped cash. When legislation passes - someone lobbied, promises were made or someone contributed to a re-election fund.

Nothing is free in Washington.
 
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Septic said:
The man oozes humility in comparison to the current occupant of the oval office.
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You realize you are doing the reverse of what you rail on others about when they say "but...but...but, OBAMA!"

You're pretty much saying "But...but...but, TRUMP!"
 
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Grand Vol said:
Tell you what, LG. Since you've been so reasonable lately (and by reasonable, I mean not the most rabid out of control poster in recent weeks) I'll expand on the thoughts of "dignity" and how Presidents carry themselves going back in history. My perceptions and opinions, of course...

Trump - I perceive as someone who thrives on attention and throws the aforementioned temper tantrums which generate said attention. But far more intelligent than you give him credit for. Dignified? lol

He's more lucky than smart, in that he came along at the exact right time where brash and obnoxious was yearned for by the right, after a fairly reserved and soft-spoken President had just left. I give him an absolute F for how he carries himself.

Obama - I perceived as a narcissistic know it all. But also far more intelligent than the right gave him credit for. Dignified? No. Looked far to eager to take a step down from his rightful place as leader of the free world.

I agree that he was pretty withdrawn for the last 6 to 9 months of his presidency. That seems to be a theme with most of them. I thought his calm reserve was appropriate, even if you do not feel that it was dignified. I give him a B + for how he carried himself.


Bush 43 - Far more intelligent than you gave him credit for, but I think allowed others to run more freely in his Administration that he should have. Dignified? No, not really. But likable.

He was dignified right after 9/11. I did at the time and continue to give him very high marks for that. I think he is probably smarter than the left gave him credit for, but he was not a details guy, no matter what the issue. I give him a solid B on how he carried himself.



Clinton - A snake, but a snake you respected and could deal with. And a snake you could forgive. Dignified? No.

If you include the Lewinsky scandal, he gets a D for how he carried himself overall. If you don't include that, I give him a B.

Bush 41 - Another snake, but one that really wasn't as likable as Clinton.

Another one I would give a B to. I also think he was a very complex guy. A pretty eventful life. Probably a lot of fun at the time to debate in the Oval Office.

Reagan - Probably the last "noble" President we had. Reagan presented an air of confidence as well as bringing dignity in the office.

I'll give him a B +. I think the fake dumb, open mouth slack jawed thing got to be a little much after awhile.


Carter - I would say he was dignified, but simply overwhelmed by the office. But throughout, he managed to maintain his composure.

Agree. I'll give him a B -

Ford - Not around long enough to really say...

No argument from me.

Nixon - A snake. And a snake you didn't trust.

I give him a C for how he carried himself. He always seemed so self conscious. Interfered with his ability to communicate.

Johnson - See Nixon.

From what I've seen, he might have been cunning, but he carried himself well. I'll give him a B.

Kennedy - Brought a different approach to the Oval Office especially being so young. Dignified? Yeah, I'd say so.

Yes, solid A. And I think that is why he was so popular, at the time. With a notable exception.

Eisenhower - Brought a dignified air to the office, but I believe mainly because of his military background. There's not many retired Generals/Admirals (I'm sure you'll name a couple) that don't have an air of dignity about them.

I agree, also gets an A. I think becoming a general is such an enormously difficult task, that you have to naturally have a calm and commanding presence.

I think if a general ran again now, he'd have a real shot at it.
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I agree with much of what you say here. Added a few thoughts and some grades.
 
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Obsessed said:
Well y'all put him there. Be mad at yourself...
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I'm not mad, I rather enjoy making fun of him.

Did you think I was mad? LOL.

Thinking he's a busted Barnum clown and making sure I rile up his nut huggers has absolutely nothing to do with me generally agreeing with some of his platform points.
 
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Grand Vol said:
You realize you are doing the reverse of what you rail on others about when they say "but...but...but, OBAMA!"

You're pretty much saying "But...but...but, TRUMP!"
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FFS. I didn't bring up obama, someone else did.

Are we not allowed to reference him once a trumper brings him up?

Solely using him as a deflection is different than when he is being directly discussed in contrast.

You know better than that. :no:


Edit: I suppose I'm just struck by the sheer audacity of someone wagging there finger at obamas humility given where the bar is now set.
 
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lawgator1 said:
I agree with much of what you say here. Added a few thoughts and some grades.
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I'll disagree to an extent on Obama being "withdrawn" during the last year of his term. I don't confuse lame duck with withdrawn. He knew his time was at an end, faced an obstructionist Congress and there really weren't any big policy items he hadn't tried or knew could get through in the amount of time remaining.

The only one I could see worthy of pushing at Congress was the cancer "Moonshot." Certainly a worthwhile goal and in reality, something that could/should have been bipartisan. And in reality, the part of the legacy Trump should/could follow.

As for the situational standings (Bush with 9/11, Clinton with Lewinsky), I tried to take the entire time in office into consideration. And that's what knocks down grades on some.

And one final remark, I don't think Reagan played "dumb" as much as he appreciated some good self deprecation. Let's face it, what is the last President that was able to poke fun at himself? Maybe Bush 43 during the Press Correspondents Dinner with Steve Bridges.

You'll never see Trump be self deprecating. Ever...
 
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Septic said:
FFS. I didn't bring up obama, someone else did.

Are we not allowed to reference him once a trumper brings him up?

Solely using him as a deflection is different than when he is being directly discussed in contrast.

You know better than that. :no:


Edit: I suppose I'm just struck by the sheer audacity of someone wagging there finger at obamas humility given where the bar is now set.
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I'm not entirely positive you can (or should) ever try to compare Trump with anyone that's been in the Office before.

However, I don't think Obama was humble in the least or showed any signs of humility. This is all opinion based of course.
 
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Grand Vol said:
I'm not entirely positive you can (or should) ever try to compare Trump with anyone that's been in the Office before.

However, I don't think Obama was humble in the least or showed any signs of humility. This is all opinion based of course.
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Trump is on the upper scale. However, and I'll likely be mocked for this, I dont think Trump is that much worse than others. He simply makes no attempt to hide it. Other presidents were/are as arrogant but hid it much better. Whether that's good or bad depends on where you sit.
 
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Grand Vol said:
I'll disagree to an extent on Obama being "withdrawn" during the last year of his term. I don't confuse lame duck with withdrawn. He knew his time was at an end, faced an obstructionist Congress and there really weren't any big policy items he hadn't tried or knew could get through in the amount of time remaining.

The only one I could see worthy of pushing at Congress was the cancer "Moonshot." Certainly a worthwhile goal and in reality, something that could/should have been bipartisan. And in reality, the part of the legacy Trump should/could follow.

As for the situational standings (Bush with 9/11, Clinton with Lewinsky), I tried to take the entire time in office into consideration. And that's what knocks down grades on some.

And one final remark, I don't think Reagan played "dumb" as much as he appreciated some good self deprecation. Let's face it, what is the last President that was able to poke fun at himself? Maybe Bush 43 during the Press Correspondents Dinner with Steve Bridges.

You'll never see Trump be self deprecating. Ever...
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You know, if he took one good, solid, humorous potshot at himself his approval rating would get a sizable bump. Just show a little humility.
 
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Grand Vol said:
Tell you what, LG. Since you've been so reasonable lately (and by reasonable, I mean not the most rabid out of control poster in recent weeks) I'll expand on the thoughts of "dignity" and how Presidents carry themselves going back in history. My perceptions and opinions, of course...

Trump - I perceive as someone who thrives on attention and throws the aforementioned temper tantrums which generate said attention. But far more intelligent than you give him credit for. Dignified? lol

Obama - I perceived as a narcissistic know it all. But also far more intelligent than the right gave him credit for. Dignified? No. Looked far to eager to take a step down from his rightful place as leader of the free world.

Bush 43 - Far more intelligent than you gave him credit for, but I think allowed others to run more freely in his Administration that he should have. Dignified? No, not really. But likable.

Clinton - A snake, but a snake you respected and could deal with. And a snake you could forgive. Dignified? No.

Bush 41 - Another snake, but one that really wasn't as likable as Clinton.

Reagan - Probably the last "noble" President we had. Reagan presented an air of confidence as well as bringing dignity in the office.

Carter - I would say he was dignified, but simply overwhelmed by the office. But throughout, he managed to maintain his composure.

Ford - Not around long enough to really say...

Nixon - A snake. And a snake you didn't trust.

Johnson - See Nixon.

Kennedy - Brought a different approach to the Oval Office especially being so young. Dignified? Yeah, I'd say so.

Eisenhower - Brought a dignified air to the office, but I believe mainly because of his military background. There's not many retired Generals/Admirals (I'm sure you'll name a couple) that don't have an air of dignity about them.
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Kennedy dignified? He treated the White House like a brothel.
 
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hog88 said:
With the advent of social media, the internet and a rabid press, it's really hard to compare eras and the men in them.
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I think you're just jealous of him. I mean it was Marilyn Monroe after all...

I'm sure they could find a lookalike to sing you Happy Birthday.
 
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Grand Vol said:
I have to say...

Good.

http://www.cnn.com/2017/06/29/polit...orough-mika-brzezinski-morning-joe/index.html

Won't quote the article, but worth the read. Nobody can really defend what he said and I dare people to try.

Maybe (doubtful) this is what finally sends Trump into Twitter remission and puts it down for a while.


ETA: I stand corrected. There are those stupid enough to defend what he Tweeted.
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It just blows my mind that the leader of the free world would get into twitter wars with the media and then stoop to things like this.

Some of the core supporters with be behind him 100% and say it was deserved
 
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Sin City Vol said:
It just blows my mind that the leader of the free world would get into twitter wars with the media and then stoop to things like this.

Some of the core supporters with be behind him 100% and say it was deserved
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Well, honestly - he's not the leader of the free world.
 
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