Vols' OC Larry Scott: Tennessee will go under center 'a little bit more'

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TennTradition said:
I will file this under 'Derek Dooley is a fine coach and good southern man' until he left at which point 'Derek Dooley sucks and is a fake'

I will keep the 'Butch Jones Loves UT' file sitting on my desk, waiting to file that under 'Butch Jones is a Traitor - I can't believe He was Trying to Get Other Jobs While at UT' once he jets to save himself from being fired.
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If he left because he is about to be fired, we would be happy that he did us a favor and saved us a buyout.
 
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JacketVol said:
If he left because he is about to be fired, we would be happy that he did us a favor and saved us a buyout.
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We wouldn't owe him one if he got another job anyway - depending on what t paid.

But the looming end would never be accepted by the faithful. His lesson would mean he was a traitor. He would suddenly be dead to the masses.
 
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TennTradition said:
Not a victim, and certainly not on the order as my analogy might have suggested.

However, I was going for mindset and how one always thinks it will get better.
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And in that respect I think you're right. WE can only hope, for his sake, that he's learned something from this situation and uses it to grow as a person and a player rather than to dwell on it and be sour. So far I think he's handled him self well since the end of the season.
 
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TennTradition said:
You are either getting some really bad advice or you are running away from what seems to you to be a worse situation. I think it's more a than b here,
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I don't even know what this means, but I have a feeling it's irrelevant. Maybe by answering my question, you can kill two birds with one stone.

Jalen is going to the dumpster fire that is Baylor. In the context of your comment, what should that tell me?

I'm just trying to understand, because I don't.
 
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Behr said:
I don't even know what this means, but I have a feeling it's irrelevant. Maybe by answering my question, you can kill two birds with one stone.

Jalen is going to the dumpster fire that is Baylor. In the context of your comment, what should that tell me?

I'm just trying to understand, because I don't.
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My question should make you ask yourself why Baylor would seem like a good option to him. What could make that seem better?
 
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TennTradition said:
My question should make you ask yourself why Baylor would seem like a good option to him. What could make that seem better?
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Sorry, I didn't see a question.

Better option than what? What options did he have? I honestly don't know, I haven't followed the drama of Hurd close enough to know.
 
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volfan102455 said:
It is one of those situations - where if it works everyone is okay with it (e.g. saw several teams do the same thing, one on 4th down and scored easily to win the game) - but it if doesn't work everyone second guesses it.

I personally have no problem with either. IMO the success at the goal line (and I am not a coach) is more dependent upon the QB having options and selecting the correct option depending upon the defense.
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All goal line plays (from under center or from shotgun, or otherwise) will be successful with better oline play than defense play....
 
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volnpowell said:
It has nothing to do with being predictable, it has to do with needing minimum distance, so put yourself in situation to lose minimum distance if play does not work.
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If we never run plays out of the shotgun in short yardage or goaline, that has everything to do with being predictable. Once an offense is predictable it's easier to stop. A defense can load up to stop an expected/predicted play, if that's what is ran it gets stuffed. Catch them leaning and it's easier after that.
 
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AllVol11717 said:
Don't disagree at all there, but at some point he's gotta put on his big boy pants and be accountable for his actions regardless of who it was that influenced his way of thinking.
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Here's my take on the Hurd saga. What did quitting in the middle of the season do for him? Why did he not wait til the end of the season like most players would have done? What he did show was a childish, immature, pouty action that screams of "I'll show you". Cut his nose off to spite his face.
 
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Behr said:
He had the option to stay or quit......

He quit and is now playing for Baylor, the dumpster fire....

What should this tell us? What does this tell you? Why are you making this so hard?
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w/out really knowing the circumstances of all of Hurd's suitors after he left TN, on the surface, it appears we "wound up" at a place that would take him.

the old adage, "a man is only as faithful as his options allow him to be"....he may have not had any other options, and two dumpster fires had mutual needs.

that's how i take it, w/out knowing the specifics. but i would imagine if he really had an option of going to OSU, and had to choose between them and Baylor....

that really shouldn't be a choice, should it?
 
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jakez4ut said:
w/out really knowing the circumstances of all of Hurd's suitors after he left TN, on the surface, it appears we "wound up" at a place that would take him.

the old adage, "a man is only as faithful as his options allow him to be"....he may have not had any other options, and two dumpster fires had mutual needs.

that's how i take it, w/out knowing the specifics. but i would imagine if he really had an option of going to OSU, and had to choose between them and Baylor....

that really shouldn't be a choice, should it?
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I think you're pretty much on it.

He's only going to play for one year, and he's planing on switching positions. His options had to have been pretty limited.

It doesn't matter that Baylor has issues with the football team. They're still going to play the games, and if he can get in them and make a splash, he's accomplished his goal.

It's difficult to see this as anything other than a desperate act.
 
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Ace said:
In game versus Northwestrn the Vols ran about 7-8 plays under center. 4 caught NW by surprise and were successful. 3 or 4 were unproductive. Since that day VN has had a fascination with the an under center qb. I have yet to understand this fascination.
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Yes. I think you have two groups. One is so young they look at "under center" as a radical new concept that will take CFB by storm. Two, are those who think "under center" would have made Dobbs = Manning and the offense would become 1998 NC caliber, even though the 2015 & 2016 offenses put up far more production than our natty squad.
Whichever, it's comical as he11 to see people obsess over it. Hurd was set to become the #1 productive RB in UT history running this scheme behind horrible offensive lines. Yet, the old "under center" scheme of the 90s was going to turn our DII quality OL into Clifton and Bubba Miller in an instant. :eek:lol:
 
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the under center deal doesn't make an offense better/worse, in and of itself. it's a personnel/scheme issue, and i don't think it's brand new information that personnel wise, especially at QB, that shotgun made more sense. scheme wise, there were opportunities in situational football, and with some personnel available, that going under center made more sense.

in the end, in regards to the offense we've run the last two seasons, shotgun made the most sense, most of the time.

going forward, personnel changes a little bit, coaching changes a little bit, and it probably does now make more sense to balance it out more. we'll still run spread concepts out of the gun, and we probably will see more under center than we've seen the past 2-3 years because of the O line, QB and other personnel packages we can trot out there.
 
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livefaith said:
Yes. I think you have two groups. One is so young they look at "under center" as a radical new concept that will take CFB by storm. Two, are those who think "under center" would have made Dobbs = Manning and the offense would become 1998 NC caliber, even though the 2015 & 2016 offenses put up far more production than our natty squad.
Whichever, it's comical as he11 to see people obsess over it. Hurd was set to become the #1 productive RB in UT history running this scheme behind horrible offensive lines. Yet, the old "under center" scheme of the 90s was going to turn our DII quality OL into Clifton and Bubba Miller in an instant. :eek:lol:
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Or there are 14 other groups with ideas differing from yours? I think adding some elements of the offset I would add to the effectiveness of what we currently run...and I'm 47...which group are you lumping me in with? :question:
 
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jakez4ut said:
w/out really knowing the circumstances of all of Hurd's suitors after he left TN, on the surface, it appears we "wound up" at a place that would take him.

the old adage, "a man is only as faithful as his options allow him to be"....he may have not had any other options, and two dumpster fires had mutual needs.

that's how i take it, w/out knowing the specifics. but i would imagine if he really had an option of going to OSU, and had to choose between them and Baylor....

that really shouldn't be a choice, should it?
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You missed the point buddy, but it doesn't matter. I'm pretty sure I got what I was looking for anyway. And more.


On your post, I agree with it.
 
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How confident are you guys about Scott? IMO he's the least talked about new coach yet probably the most pivotal. He's never done this before, if he flops it could be bad.
 
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mitzustu said:
How confident are you guys about Scott? IMO he's the least talked about new coach yet probably the most pivotal. He's never done this before, if he flops it could be bad.
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As much as Scott an unknown as an OC, I'd rather role the dice on him than on Wells who has 20 years of coaching experience, but never been hired by a P5 head coach.

That hire is baffling considering the circumstances.
 
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Iam4utalways said:
If we never run plays out of the shotgun in short yardage or goaline, that has everything to do with being predictable. Once an offense is predictable it's easier to stop. A defense can load up to stop an expected/predicted play, if that's what is ran it gets stuffed. Catch them leaning and it's easier after that.
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Absolutely correct. A classic example is the two-point conversion attempt by No. one-ranked LSU in 1959 when the Vols stuffed Billy Cannon at the one yard line to preserve a 14 to 13 epic win. The entire Vol defensive line was screaming "Cannon, off right tackle". That was LSU's bread and butter offensive play that whole season and Wayne Grubb, Charlie Severance, and Bill Majors buried him at the one. And, yes, I was there, a 14 year-old 9th grader down on the goal line. Magical, my friends....
 
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BeardedVol said:
As much as Scott an unknown as an OC, I'd rather role the dice on him than on Wells who has 20 years of coaching experience, but never been hired by a P5 head coach.

That hire is baffling considering the circumstances.
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Disastrous so far. :)
 
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