What's in the Senate health care bill?

[T-TownVol]

You morons pretend like the only two options are to let Obamacare fail or go with the senate or house plans. You are ignoring the best option, which is to make the fixes to Obamacare.

Thanks for making my morning LG......you NEVER disappoint......

 

[hog88]

Because they ran on "repeal and replace" and if they simply "fix" they know it will be used against them in the next election cycle and that might cause them to lose power. So basically they are looking out for themselves before us as usual.

This.

And they don't have the stones to do what needs to be done.

 

[Grand Vol]

And they don't have the stones to do what needs to be done.

Resign or propose a Constitutional Amendment for term limits?

 

[hog88]

Resign or propose a Constitutional Amendment for term limits?

That too.

I'm getting pretty sickened by the Rs in both the Senate and House. They keep this trajectory and they should lose big in 2018.

 

[Sandman 423]

Resign or propose a Constitutional Amendment for term limits?

I would like to see term limits but I also think it would be nice if they would have to have a simple majority in the majority party and something like 20% of the minority party to pass legislation. #resitis4communismnotdemocracy

 

[VolunteerHillbilly]

I'm starting to think that the best option is to just leave it alone, make the uninsured young adults actually pay the penalty ($700 or 2.5% of annual income, whichever is higher) for a year, put tax liens and garnishments on all who owe the penalty and don't pay, and then see how everyone feels next summer.

 

[Grand Vol]

I would like to see term limits but I also think it would be nice if they would have to have a simple majority in the majority party and something like 20% of the minority party to pass legislation. #resitcommunismnotdemocracy

Nah, the current rules are okay. But term limits?

No more than 12 years in Congress, divided up as the candidate deems fit. Six House terms or two Senate. Or three House terms and one Senate. But no more than 12 years period.

Current Reps and Senators would be grandfathered in (it'd never pass otherwise), but applies to all newly elected members of Congress.

 

[hog88]

I'm starting to think that the best option is to just leave it alone, make the uninsured young adults actually pay the penalty ($700 or 2.5% of annual income, whichever is higher) for a year, put tax liens and garnishments on all who owe the penalty and don't pay, and then see how everyone feels next summer.

I'm leaning that way myself, **** it and let it collapse.

Dems to blame for the initial POS and the Rs for not having a ****ing plan after 7 years of trying to repeal the original.

 

[Orange_Crush]

...and the Rs for not having a ****ing plan after 7 years of trying to repeal the original.

That legislation was herpes. Once it was passed, they knew we'd never get rid of it. That's a political suicide they knew no politician would be willing to commit.

 

[hog88]

That legislation was herpes. Once it was passed, they knew we'd never get rid of it. That's a political suicide they knew no politician would be willing to commit.

Then the Rs need to grab their sacks and admit that there is no fixing it, there is not repealing and replacing it without big swaths of the population being impacted.

As much as I hate it, I'd have more respect for them if they simply said we have no other choice than go to a single payer system.

 

[VolunteerHillbilly]

TN is such a red state now that I didn't appreciate how much of an echo chamber I live in. I really believed an R congress with an R president would have the fortitude to root the thing out and take us back to where we were 7 years ago. Hate to admit it but the Ds in TN were more responsible stewards under Bredesen when they admitted that the universal coverage promise of TennCare was not sustainable and started disenrolling insureds by the tens of thousands. They did it in the face of constituents coming to the capitol to testify before rolling cameras that they would die without that coverage. Just said, 'sorry we can't pay for it' and let the chips fall.

 

[PeterNincompoop]

I'm leaning that way myself, **** it and let it collapse.

Dems to blame for the initial POS and the Rs for not having a ****ing plan after 7 years of trying to repeal the original.

Isn't the core of Obamacare what Massachusetts has been using since Romneycare was instituted in '06? Are there any VN members up there? Is it still working? I'm not educated enough in health care to know what might be different, but the core is the same, yes? If it's working there, could ACA not be amended to match it more closely?

 

[Orange_Crush]

TN is such a red state now that I didn't appreciate how much of an echo chamber I live in. I really believed an R congress with an R president would have the fortitude to root the thing out and take us back to where we were 7 years ago. Hate to admit it but the Ds in TN were more responsible stewards under Bredesen when they admitted that the universal coverage promise of TennCare was not sustainable and started disenrolling insureds by the tens of thousands. They did it in the face of constituents coming to the capitol to testify before rolling cameras that they would die without that coverage. Just said, 'sorry we can't pay for it' and let the chips fall.

Republicans and Dems are both the same thing; they both report to the same bosses. And it's not the American electorate.

 

[hog88]

Isn't the core of Obamacare what Massachusetts has been using since Romneycare was instituted in '06? Are there any VN members up there? Is it still working? I'm not educated enough in health care to know what might be different, but the core is the same, yes? If it's working there, could ACA not be amended to match it more closely?

It was sold as modeled after Romneycare but no I don't know enough about what's going on in MA to discuss it.

What I do know is there is a huge difference in implementing such a plan on a national level vs at the state level. Should have never been attempted in the first place.

 

[AM64]

Serious question. Why can't it be fixed? We've made made Amendments to the Constitution when it was found that it didn't handle something correctly. Why is repeal and replace the only option, rather than making amendments to the existing law? I'm not trolling, I'm genuinely curious as to why something that most certainly isn't perfect, but does a lot of good for a lot of Americans, can't be fixed instead of scrapped and start over.

It can't be fixed because it never addressed the problem in the first place. It just put patches over things for a small percentage of the population and screwed up what had been working for everyone else. You didn't see congress or anyone else involved changing to Obamacare.

Everyone is looking at insurors and providers - not the suppliers of all the costly drugs, devices, and other supplies, and they certainly didn't address the increasing anti competitive behavior in that segment. They didn't do anything about the legal side that keeps malpractice rates high and excess testing in play. They didn't do anything about why people not covered by medical insurance seem to have no feeling of personal responsibility.

In short ObamaCare was like pouring gas on a smoldering fire, and the worst of the long term effects is that it's so difficult to untangle the bigger mess of things it made. They didn't address the cost side; the dolts simply added more people to the problem - fuel to the fire.

 

[AM64]

I'm starting to think that the best option is to just leave it alone, make the uninsured young adults actually pay the penalty ($700 or 2.5% of annual income, whichever is higher) for a year, put tax liens and garnishments on all who owe the penalty and don't pay, and then see how everyone feels next summer.

That's one of the very few real problems that ObamaCare actually addressed. Not the solution exactly because it is dictatorial, but pointing out that non participation of a large group destroys the actuarial pool that insurance needs to work properly.

Single payer simply enforces the pool concept by extorting money those who have any income ... as big brother sees fit - and rations care as it sees fit.

 

[carlos86]

McConnell: "He will delay the health care vote until after the recess to solicit more support from GOP senators."

 

[GAVol]

McConnell: "He will delay the health care vote until after the recess to solicit more support from GOP senators."

Screw each and every one of them. They're so gutless and concerned with self preservation that they can't get together on what should be their signature slam dunk issue.

Now they'll go home and get slaughtered in town halls by manufactured protests that CNN we'll be all too happy to pay in a loop.

 

[AM64]

McConnell: "He will delay the health care vote until after the recess to solicit more support from GOP senators."

Wow, some people really are dumber than a bag of rocks! What does McConnell think is going to happen when senators go home to face the hatred spewed by the Soros inspired "demonstrations", and the lib press work them over with slanted "news" stories? BAAAD timing.

 

[VolunteerHillbilly]

That's one of the very few real problems that ObamaCare actually addressed. Not the solution exactly because it is dictatorial, but pointing out that non participation of a large group destroys the actuarial pool that insurance needs to work properly.

Single payer simply enforces the pool concept by extorting money those who have any income ... as big brother sees fit - and rations care as it sees fit.

I guess we'll never know if it would've worked since nobody has the stones to make those people pay the penalty if they don't get insured. The whole thing is a pyramid scheme where you have to have a bunch of people on the bottom layer paying in without taking much of anything out. Bernie Madoff could've made it work.

 

[GAVol]

Republicans are falling into the same trap as Democrats. Being anti the other party is not a winning strategy. They've got to sell what the AHCA is; not that it's simply NOT Obamacare.

 

[carlos86]

Screw each and every one of them. They're so gutless and concerned with self preservation that they can't get together on what should be their signature slam dunk issue.

Now they'll go home and get slaughtered in town halls by manufactured protests that CNN we'll be all too happy to pay in a loop.

2013 is repeating itself just with a different party in power.

 

[GAVol]

2013 is repeating itself just with a different party in power.

I think they ultimately get it done, but it proves that John Boehner was right. Republicans all agree that Obamacare is unworkable, but they have never really agreed on the antidote.

 

[hog88]

I think they ultimately get it done, but it proves that John Boehner was right. Republicans all agree that Obamacare is unworkable, but they have never really agreed on the antidote.

That is because most of them at their core are democrats and are afraid of making the hard decisions. Obamacare isn't sustainable and when it collapses it will hurt millions. Replacing it with something that is sustainable will also hurt millions, nothing is going to be universally accepted and beneficial to all.

 

[McDad]

McConnell: "He will delay the health care vote until after the recess to solicit more support from GOP senators."

Chinless Chester and the Milquetoast Gang ride again.