Shoop: New-look defense has 'chip on their shoulder'

[njvols]

I believe it's very possible we are better but he also said no one would run on us last year. Guess we will see.

 

[vol-un-tear]

Shoop has yet to convince me of anything. The paranoid side of me thinks he had a hand in the loss to Vandy but that's just crazy talk, right?

Shumer all American 😂!

 

[McDad]

"We may not have the star power," Shoop said. "On offense it may not be a (Joshua) Dobbs or a(n) (Alvin) Kamara. On defense it may not be a Barnett, a Maybin or a Sutton. But I think as a whole unit on defense, we have a chance to be better than we were a year ago."

Two of the biggest factors with those chances are minimizing big running plays and defending 50-50 balls better in the secondary. The 37 plays of 30-plus yards Tennessee allowed last season were the second-most in the conference, and the Vols surrendered five plays of at least 70 yards, four of them running plays. Shoop said the key to limiting them isn't rocket science: It's just pursuing, getting off blocks and tackling better.

He also indicated the Vols have made "a couple of technical changes" with their cornerbacks that should help them win more one-on-one battles in coverage.
http://tennessee.247sports.com/Article/Defensive-coordinator-Bob-Shoop-New-look-Tennessee-Vols-defense--53302821

That's great, Bob. We have a chance to be better. What a relief. I thought we had a chance to be worse. SEC Championship, here we come.

 

[BeardedVol]

That's great, Bob. We have a chance to be better. What a relief. I thought we had a chance to be worse. SEC Championship, here we come.

I'll give shoop a pass on his D-level coach-speak as long as he fields a proper SEC defense in 2017.

 

[McDad]

I'll give shoop a pass on his D-level coach-speak as long as he fields a proper SEC defense in 2017.

I was a Snoop fan. My excitement when we "stole" him from PSU was off the charts. His performance last year was horrible. You may say, But McDad....injuries....assistants not on same page...1st season...blah blah blah. He did more with less at VU and PSU. Beat us twice as Vandy D Coordinator.

As of right now, James Franklin looks like the reason those defenses teams performed so well.

We will see if "no one will run on us" Shoop is hope or hype this year.

 

[BeardedVol]

I was a Snoop fan. My excitement when we "stole" him from PSU was off the charts. His performance last year was horrible. You may say, But McDad....injuries....assistants not on same page...1st season...blah blah blah. He did more with less at VU and PSU. Beat us twice as Vandy D Coordinator.

As of right now, James Franklin looks like the reason those defenses teams performed so well.

We will see if "no one will run on us" Shoop is hope or hype this year.

Oh, I was in the same boat. I thought it was a coup de gras hire away against PSU, and quite literally a finger in James Franklin's eye; not so much now.

Hopefully it was his hand that replaced Stripling and Martinez, and now he's got the staff he needs to completely implement his system. We'll probably know by the end of September if that's the case or not.

 

[sjt18]

I still think Shoop was a great hire. I think shedding the remnants of the BSiA will help Shoop. I think a 2nd year doing things his way without those echoes from the past will help. I think the 7 on 7's will help.

I think it comes down to health and depth. Spring reports were that they liked what they had at LB. Just the names on the list... leave me concerned. DT is a concern simply because of the lack of depth.

 

[McDad]

I still think Shoop was a great hire. I think shedding the remnants of the BSiA will help Shoop. I think a 2nd year doing things his way without those echoes from the past will help. I think the 7 on 7's will help.

I think it comes down to health and depth. Spring reports were that they liked what they had at LB. Just the names on the list... leave me concerned. DT is a concern simply because of the lack of depth.

You've got an eye for identifying problems players are having. You've earned my respect with that ability.

Shoop is STILL an unknown for UT. He shouldn't be based on performance at other schools. But there were many noggin scratching moments last year. Those moments weren't limited to injury either. Anyone remember App State?

 

[Ace]

You've got an eye for identifying problems players are having. You've earned my respect with that ability.

Shoop is STILL an unknown for UT. He shouldn't be based on performance at other schools. But there were many noggin scratching moments last year. Those moments weren't limited to injury either. Anyone remember App State?

Defense gave up 13 total pts and 292 total yards & pitched a shut out in 2nd half and OT. Not sure how you can complain about App State game. Our poor offensive play made that game close.

 

[McDad]

Defense gave up 13 total pts and 292 total yards & pitched a shut out in 2nd half and OT. Not sure how you can complain about App State game. Our poor offensive play made that game close.

Because I expect to dominate teams which we recruit superior players across the board.
The only times those teams should score are garbage points late in the 4th quarter.

 

[Darth_Shiveman]

I was a Snoop fan. My excitement when we "stole" him from PSU was off the charts. His performance last year was horrible. You may say, But McDad....injuries....assistants not on same page...1st season...blah blah blah. He did more with less at VU and PSU. Beat us twice as Vandy D Coordinator.

As of right now, James Franklin looks like the reason those defenses teams performed so well.

We will see if "no one will run on us" Shoop is hope or hype this year.

FWIW, Franklin is an Offensive guy.


If anything, Brent Pry (Shoop's prior right-hand-man and LB coach) is the guy you could point at and say "what if he was the key to the success?" IMO


There's also the possibility that Shoop was somewhat hamstrung by the defensive coaching staff in place and Butch wanting him to adjust to the prior scheme instead of install his own scheme. No way to be sure, really.

Time will tell.

 

['Boro-vol]

Less talky, more defendy.

 

[sjt18]

You've got an eye for identifying problems players are having. You've earned my respect with that ability.

Shoop is STILL an unknown for UT. He shouldn't be based on performance at other schools. But there were many noggin scratching moments last year. Those moments weren't limited to injury either. Anyone remember App State?

From the bit of research I have done, that appears to be a pattern with Shoop. It takes a year to adjust to his way.

Granted UT should have been able to stop ASU at will... but UT and Miami were the only two teams to hold ASU under 300 yds last year. They're better than your average mid-major.

Most here argued that Jones should get more time before being judged in his first two years. I would argue that Shoop is FAR more proven as a P-5 DC than Jones was as a P-5 HC.

 

[UT-Rex]

I was a Snoop fan. My excitement when we "stole" him from PSU was off the charts. His performance last year was horrible. You may say, But McDad....injuries....assistants not on same page...1st season...blah blah blah. He did more with less at VU and PSU. Beat us twice as Vandy D Coordinator.

As of right now, James Franklin looks like the reason those defenses teams performed so well.

We will see if "no one will run on us" Shoop is hope or hype this year.

I'm not sure why you take this approach, but if so, then:

in 2011, JFranklin, with Shoop in his 1st year as DC at Vand, gave up only 27 pts to Tenn, and

in 2016, BJones, with Shoop in his 1st year as DC at Tenn, gave up 45 pts to Vand.

Interesting.

Were Vand's 2011 rb's really that much better than Tenn's in 2016 (JK + AK)? Or, however it's viewed, the HC's were diff?

 

[Ace]

Because I expect to dominate teams which we recruit superior players across the board.
The only times those teams should score are garbage points late in the 4th quarter.

You can say that all you want (and you will get several LIKES), but Appy State is a good team and our offense was the problem for the Vols on that night. Miami gave up 10 pts to Appy State in the 2nd & early 3rd quarter, but their offense scored early and often.

 

[McDad]

From the bit of research I have done, that appears to be a pattern with Shoop. It takes a year to adjust to his way.

Granted UT should have been able to stop ASU at will... but UT and Miami were the only two teams to hold ASU under 300 yds last year. They're better than your average mid-major.

Most here argued that Jones should get more time before being judged in his first two years. I would argue that Shoop is FAR more proven as a P-5 DC than Jones was as a P-5 HC.

I watched Shoop's defensive rankings at VU and PSU. MY recollection, which may be inaccurate, is an immediate positive impact at both schools in his first year.

There are ongoing problems in the coaching staff at UT. Starts with CBJ and flows downhill.

I've got 5 losses on my prediction radar this year. And I hope I am wrong.

 

[McDad]

You can say that all you want (and you will get several LIKES), but Appy State is a good team and our offense was the problem for the Vols on that night. Miami gave up 10 pts to Appy State in the 2nd & early 3rd quarter, but their offense scored early and often.

Sure, they are a good team. We should be demonstrably better, though. If appy State had our 4 year recruiting average, their coaching staff would have embarrassed us.

 

[Grand Vol]

I watched Shoop's defensive rankings at VU and PSU. MY recollection, which may be inaccurate, is an immediate positive impact at both schools in his first year.

There are ongoing problems in the coaching staff at UT. Starts with CBJ and flows downhill.

I've got 5 losses on my prediction radar this year. And I hope I am wrong.

I think you are cray-cray.

 

[Iam4utalways]

I watched Shoop's defensive rankings at VU and PSU. MY recollection, which may be inaccurate, is an immediate positive impact at both schools in his first year.

There are ongoing problems in the coaching staff at UT. Starts with CBJ and flows downhill.

I've got 5 losses on my prediction radar this year. And I hope I am wrong.

I have to ask.

What are the ongoing problems with the coaching staff?

Is it 5 specifics losses or just the number? Does that count the bowl game?

I hope you are wrong too.

 

[McDad]

I think you are cray-cray.

Takes one to know one, Bama-lover.

 

[McDad]

I have to ask.

What are the ongoing problems with the coaching staff?

Is it 5 specifics losses or just the number? Does that count the bowl game?

I hope you are wrong too.

Development and performance of position groups (receivers and secondary, for example).

Questionable player usage (The baby from Beech over Kamara).

Rumored disharmony in staff after Shoop hired.

...just a few off top of my head.

 

[Iam4utalways]

Development and performance of position groups (receivers and secondary, for example).

Questionable player usage (The baby from Beech over Kamara).

Rumored disharmony in staff after Shoop hired.

...just a few off top of my head.

I'm not so sure "ongoing" would apply to any of that for 121.

 

[ToptheTerrible]

Shoop has yet to convince me of anything. The paranoid side of me thinks he had a hand in the loss to Vandy but that's just crazy talk, right?

Yes. Very crazy.

 

[McDad]

I'm not so sure "ongoing" would apply to any of that for 121.

That's a fair rebuttal. All the problems I cited were from the past.

How bout this...those problems which went unsolved in previous seasons lead me to believe we will witness other issues related to coaching/leadership going on this year.

 

[McDad]

I have to ask.

What are the ongoing problems with the coaching staff?

Is it 5 specifics losses or just the number? Does that count the bowl game?

I hope you are wrong too.

Missed your Q earlier. Sorry.

I have 4 specific losses and one wildcard.