Is Peyton The GOAT

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508mikey said:
Going by SB rings means nothing -- how many of the best RBs ever, never even made it to a SB ?
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Runningbacks don't have their hand on the ball every snap.

QB is a different animal. QB's are judged by hardware, stats and playoff performance.

Some people value one more than others and that is their prerogative.
 
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Boston Vol said:
I'm not penalizing anyone. You're the one who made the statement, I simply corrected you. As for may not even be the second best quarterback of his era. Sure thing bud. Why did both Tony Dungy and Reggie Wayne say last year that Brady was better than Manning? Seems odd that two future hall of famers won't go to bat for one of their former players/teammates.
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I don't know, maybe because they were using the same criteria most of the talking heads use (and uninformed fans parrot) whenever this is discussed. That being # of SB rings, which as I've said is not an indication of which QB is better. If it was, then people would agree that Jeff Hostetler was a better QB than Dan Marino or Fran Tarkenton (to cite just one example of this logical fallacy).

Numbers don't always tell the whole story, of course, But when you're just talking about production at the QB position (and not who played on the better team), it should at least be part of the discussion.

For instance, Brees was drafted the year after Brady. Neither of them started as rookies. Brady missed a season due to injury. So both have played 15 seasons as regular starters in their respective careers thus far.

Brees: 5,836 completions, 66.6% Cmp%, 66,111 yards, 465 passing TDs
Brady: 5,244 completions, 63.8% Cmp%, 61,582 yards, 456 passing TDs

Of course I'll concede that the Patriots have been better than the Saints over the course of their careers. But how do you make an argument that Brady has played the QB position better than Brees when you look at these numbers?
 
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508mikey said:
Going by SB rings means nothing -- how many of the best RBs ever, never even made it to a SB ?
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In order to separate the very best, you use every piece of information you can to make a choice.

playoff accomplishments are one of them.

And Brady damn near owns every playoff record there is, not just the most rings
 
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99gator said:
In order to separate the very best, you use every piece of information you can to make a choice.

playoff accomplishments are one of them.

And Brady damn near owns every playoff record there is, not just the most rings
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Brady also sat out games for cheating
 
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Let me ponder a question to all of you. If anyone had the chance, can any of you say that you would not shake either ones hand.
 
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VolsSportsFan said:
If you want to make up that title, go ahead. The vast majority is talking professional, because what you do on the professional level is way more impressive.
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iirc Its more difficult to win a NC than a SB -- 1-2 losses in college can end the hopes in alot of cases --- also there is a thread like this in the NFL forum maybe this one needs merged to it
 
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Incredible career, stats, team-player, player-coach, competitor, strategist, student and fan of the game he played.
 
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Also, Peyton was Gatorade HS player of the year, right? Obviously college and HS pale in comparison to NFL accomplishments, but Manning had an elite run as a QB for 25 years.
 
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Hacksaw said:
I don't know, maybe because they were using the same criteria most of the talking heads use (and uninformed fans parrot) whenever this is discussed. That being # of SB rings, which as I've said is not an indication of which QB is better. If it was, then people would agree that Jeff Hostetler was a better QB than Dan Marino or Fran Tarkenton (to cite just one example of this logical fallacy).

Numbers don't always tell the whole story, of course, But when you're just talking about production at the QB position (and not who played on the better team), it should at least be part of the discussion.

For instance, Brees was drafted the year after Brady. Neither of them started as rookies. Brady missed a season due to injury. So both have played 15 seasons as regular starters in their respective careers thus far.

Brees: 5,836 completions, 66.6% Cmp%, 66,111 yards, 465 passing TDs
Brady: 5,244 completions, 63.8% Cmp%, 61,582 yards, 456 passing TDs

Of course I'll concede that the Patriots have been better than the Saints over the course of their careers. But how do you make an argument that Brady has played the QB position better than Brees when you look at these numbers?
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You've made some very logical points in this thread. :salute:
 
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