4 Arab Countries Cut Ties With Qatar

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Rasputin_Vol said:
And I stand by what I said. If they Iran did happen to support a Sunni group it was an anomaly, not a widespread affair. There's exceptions to every rule, but I think it would be safe to say that well over 90% of Iran's foreign support would go to Shiites, and not Sunnis.

Lets not overblow any alleged support (assuming it is true) in Iraq or anywhere else as a common occurrence. That would be false.
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It wasn't an anomaly. I was there, Ras. Like I said, trust me or not, I don't care. But weapons shipments and support were being sent to all areas of Iraq, not just Shi'a groups (which largely sat on the sidelines when it came to the Coalition)
 
#77
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Grand Vol said:
It wasn't an anomaly. I was there, Ras. Like I said, trust me or not, I don't care. But weapons shipments and support were being sent to all areas of Iraq, not just Shi'a groups (which largely sat on the sidelines when it came to the Coalition)
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The evidence doesn't support such widespread Iranian arms dealing to Sunnis as you suggest. Again, I'm not saying it never occurred (because you can find exceptions to every rule), but for the most part, evidence and logic would suggest that the Iranians would not be in Iraq arming Sunnis in any significant manner. The lion's share of their support would be directed towards Shia groups.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
The evidence doesn't support such widespread Iranian arms dealing to Sunnis as you suggest. Again, I'm not saying it never occurred (because you can find exceptions to every rule), but for the most part, evidence and logic would suggest that the Iranians would not be in Iraq arming Sunnis in any significant manner. The lion's share of their support would be directed towards Shia groups.
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The whole idea transcended the Sunni/Shi'a sectarian divide. Iran is supporting whomever they feel gives them an edge in becoming the regional power. They are supporting Assad right now who's a Sunni.
 
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apevol said:
ras, you a big fan of shias?
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Not a fan of anyone. I wish we would just pull out of this area and leave these people alone and deal with their own affairs. We have enough to worry about in this hemisphere to be meddling in local sectarian skirmishes half a world away.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
So is Iraq. Hell, the majority of the Muslim world from Morocco to Indonesia are Sunni. What does that have to do with anything?
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Iraq is not majority Sunni...about 60-65% Shi'a, 32% Sunni.

That was a big deal with Hussein being in charge.
 
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Grand Vol said:
Iraq is not majority Sunni...about 60-65% Shi'a, 32% Sunni.

That was a big deal with Hussein being in charge.
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You're correct. I knew they were a sizeable number in the eastern part of Iraq bordering Iran, but didn't realize they were a majority because they are minorities in every other country outside of Iran. Which probably means that more than likely, that alleged assistance from Iran would have even more than likely been going into Shia groups as opposed to Sunnis in Iraq.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
You're correct. I knew they were a sizeable number in the eastern part of Iraq bordering Iran, but didn't realize they were a majority because they are minorities in every other country outside of Iran. Which probably means that more than likely, that alleged assistance from Iran would have even more than likely been going into Shia groups as opposed to Sunnis in Iraq.
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Don't draw that conclusion based on religious breakdown. You really don't know what you're talking about.

Again, been there, done that, got the t-shirt.
 
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Grand Vol said:
Don't draw that conclusion based on religious breakdown. You really don't know what you're talking about.

Again, been there, done that, got the t-shirt.
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And to close, if they were supporting any Sunnis, to use your quote from earlier, "Not quite as widespread as you would lead others to believe..."
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
And to close, if they were supporting any Sunnis, to use your quote from earlier, "Not quite as widespread as you would lead others to believe..."
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I could get snarky now, but I won't. You have no idea what you are talking about and continue to just make **** up based on real bad info and a moronic thought process.

Enjoy your ignorance.
 
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Grand Vol said:
The whole idea transcended the Sunni/Shi'a sectarian divide. Iran is supporting whomever they feel gives them an edge in becoming the regional power. They are supporting Assad right now who's a Sunni.
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What was the strategy to assisting Iraqi insurgents? The enemy of my enemy (U.S.)?
 
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Velo Vol said:
What was the strategy to assisting Iraqi insurgents? The enemy of my enemy (U.S.)?
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The enemy of my enemy?

The US, Saudi Arabia and the other Gulf States were funding and supporting these Sunni groups. They were/are on the same side of the aisle.
 
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Grand Vol said:
Pretty much. It was the easiest way of getting at us without being directly involved.
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It was already assumed that Iran would be involved in some shape, manner or form anyways. Why would they waste time then supporting Sunni groups in what would allegedly be a pretty lame attempt to hide their involvement? They may as well directly help the Shias in the region.
 
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I'm a bit of a geography nerd so here's a map of Sunni/Shia land. As you can see, outside of Iran (and apparently Azerbaijan), the world is dominated by Sunni's outside of a pocket in Yemen, a good bit of Iraq, and a sliver of western Syria/northeastern part of the Mediterranean Sea north of Israel. Now tie this up to areas where Iran is supplying weapons and attempting to control influence and it all makes sense now.
 

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Rasputin_Vol said:
Why should the US care if Iran has influence in Iraq or not? How is that in our national interest?

We shouldn't even be over there meddling in these local affairs.
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Because we're a ****ing empire. We send the legions to pummel barbarians now and then so we can pat ourselves on the back about all we're doing for the civilized world.
 
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