QB X-Fer effect on FL Game

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LordBolton said:
03-04...I believe that was the Zooker. Apparently a fireable offense.
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Zook never won the East. That led to his demise much more than losing to UT in '03 and '04.

If any single game killed him, it was the loss to a horrible Mississippi State in '04.
 
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Lawrence Wright said:
Pretty sure I answered both of your questions.

Unless the shark's family presses charges, McElwain is our coach in 2018, win or lose against you guys this season.

I also mentioned Ron Zook, who was the last UF coach to lose consecutive games to UT.
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:eek:lol:
 
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VolZen said:
The post Tebow curse will live on. It is really amazing to me that a school with a recruiting base like that, with talent abundant everywhere else throughout the roster, hasn't had a QB worth anything for the better part of a decade. And I thought ole yellow teeth was an offensive guru, they haven't exactly burned it up since his arrival, and he's had enough time to show at least some improvement.
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Its weird to me too that UF can't find a decent QB. I could be wrong, but outside of Tebow and a few other exceptions the state of UF hasn't produced a large amount of QB talent relative to the amount of overall talent that Florida spits out ever year. The state always produces great skill players but a top flight QB isn't always in the mix.
 
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Lawrence Wright said:
What does it say about the state of UT football if losing two in a row to the Vols gets your coach fired?

Yeah you won the East two years in a row, but you lost to Tennessee two straight years...time for you to go. :blink:

Then again, Zook was all but fired when he mismanaged the clock to allow that Banks Hail Mary TD in 2003.

In the absence of better options, McElwain is our coach in 2018 regardless.
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Good, cause he sucks.
 
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VFL-82-JP said:
On the one hand, Zaire couldn't even win the starting QB job on a Notre Dame team that went 4-8.

On the other hand, back when he was a sophomore, Zaire led the Irish to a bowl win over #23 LSU, and was the game's MVP.

So he might be good. Or he might be bleh. Kinda hard to tell when he played very little in his four seasons as an undergrad (0 games as a freshman, 2 as a sophomore, 2 as a junior, and about 0.5 as a senior).
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DeShone Kiser is a 6'4" 240lb 2nd rounder who had the strongest arm in the draft. Would have been hard for anyone to beat him out.

I think Zaire can potentially be a crafty upperclassman depending on his mastery of the playbook. He won't be all-conference but he has the potential to play mistake free football and extend some plays with his legs.
 
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Lawrence Wright said:
What does it say about the state of UT football if losing two in a row to the Vols gets your coach fired?

Yeah you won the East two years in a row, but you lost to Tennessee two straight years...time for you to go. :blink:

Then again, Zook was all but fired when he mismanaged the clock to allow that Banks Hail Mary TD in 2003.

In the absence of better options, McElwain is our coach in 2018 regardless.
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I certainly hope he is at UF for a long time...:)

GO VOLS!
 
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Lawrence Wright said:
Brilliant post...it's not as though McElwain's last team was the overwhelming favorite to win the East, finally won the big game everyone hoped he'd win, only to crap the bed against South Carolina and Vandy.

Because that would really suck. :)
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Honestly dude I friggin hate UF more than any other school and I hope we smash you guys every season for the next 20 years...

However, as someone who can admire a solid troll job, this is pretty hilarious.

But yeah, suck it Florida and everything.
 
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Lawrence Wright said:
What does it say about the state of UT football if losing two in a row to the Vols gets your coach fired?

Yeah you won the East two years in a row, but you lost to Tennessee two straight years...time for you to go. :blink:

Then again, Zook was all but fired when he mismanaged the clock to allow that Banks Hail Mary TD in 2003.

In the absence of better options, McElwain is our coach in 2018 regardless.
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McElwain is far from the worst coach in the SEC. I'd have to say he is among the Top 5 or 6.
 
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I noticed today that Aschoff (Gator homer posing as ESPN reporter covering the SEC) has a new article about Zaire's potential contributions to FL this fall. Aschoff says that Zaire "has more experience than any other Gator signal-caller with 15 games under his belt at Notre Dame," which is as close to a flat-out lie (the 15 game part) as you can come while being technically correct.

See, Zaire "has 15 games under his belt" in the same way that Quinten Dormady has 10 games under his belt at Tennessee.

To be far more accurate, Zaire did not play at all in his freshman year ... started or played extensively in 2 games as a sophomore, started 2 more as a junior before being injured in the 2nd game and missing the entire rest of the season, and played only about half of the first game of his senior year before being pushed aside in favor of Kizer the rest of the season.

In other words, he played 4.5 games and mopped up in 10 others.

Extremely misleading, Ed, for shame.
 
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VFL-82-JP said:
I noticed today that Aschoff (Gator homer posing as ESPN reporter covering the SEC) has a new article about Zaire's potential contributions to FL this fall. Aschoff says that Zaire "has more experience than any other Gator signal-caller with 15 games under his belt at Notre Dame," which is as close to a flat-out lie (the 15 game part) as you can come while being technically correct.

See, Zaire "has 15 games under his belt" in the same way that Quinten Dormady has 10 games under his belt at Tennessee.

To be far more accurate, Zaire did not play at all in his freshman year ... started 2 games as a sophomore, started 2 more as a junior before being injured and missing the entire rest of the season, and played only about half of the first game of his senior year before being pushed aside in favor of Kizer the rest of the season.

In other words, he played 4.5 games and mopped up in 10 others.

Extremely misleading, Ed, for shame.
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Yep, in 15 games has less than 900 yards passing.
 
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The Artful Dodger said:
Its weird to me too that UF can't find a decent QB. I could be wrong, but outside of Tebow and a few other exceptions the state of UF hasn't produced a large amount of QB talent relative to the amount of overall talent that Florida spits out ever year. The state always produces great skill players but a top flight QB isn't always in the mix.
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A lot of QB talent comes from out West. HS coaches out there do a better job IMO of coaching kids up to a collegiate level of play for that position than do other regions. I had friends who worked as HS coaches in a couple of different programs like Mater Dei, Mira Costa, and El Segundo when I lived there. I came away very impressed then as they were decades ahead of what was taking place in most Tennessee high schools at the time, public and private. Things have improved a lot in Tennessee since but they still have a ways to go IMO.
 
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HuntlandVolinColo said:
McElwain is far from the worst coach in the SEC. I'd have to say he is among the Top 5 or 6.
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The gap between the SEC's best coach and the next 3-4 coaches is a mile long.

McElwain is on notice if we don't win the East, and get boatraced by FSU again...but his job isn't on the line this season.
 
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Lawrence Wright said:
What does it say about the state of UT football if losing two in a row to the Vols gets your coach fired?

Yeah you won the East two years in a row, but you lost to Tennessee two straight years...time for you to go. :blink:

Then again, Zook was all but fired when he mismanaged the clock to allow that Banks Hail Mary TD in 2003.

In the absence of better options, McElwain is our coach in 2018 regardless.
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All of the sharks around Florida hate to hear that.
 
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The Artful Dodger said:
Its weird to me too that UF can't find a decent QB. I could be wrong, but outside of Tebow and a few other exceptions the state of UF hasn't produced a large amount of QB talent relative to the amount of overall talent that Florida spits out ever year. The state always produces great skill players but a top flight QB isn't always in the mix.
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You're not wrong. Not only have they not had a good QB (You might argue about Jeff Driskel in 2012), but every year since 2008, the starting QB from game 1 has missed time due to one thing or another.

I just hope this year one guy can carry the load for the entire season. That would be a welcome change.
 
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peppervol said:
Be careful what you wish for, LW. Come back and post after the upcoming season. I really look forward to it...
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I missed where I wished for anything...and I post here regardless.

I just think the rest of the SEC fears Butch Jones about as much as you guys fear McElwain, possibly less.
 
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Lawrence Wright said:
I missed where I wished for anything...and I post here regardless.

I just think the rest of the SEC fears Butch Jones about as much as you guys fear McElwain, possibly less.
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It's sure to be lumpy, like oatmeal.

I'm pretty sure UGa has a significant degree of wariness and respect for Butch's ability to beat them.

I wouldn't imagine Kentucky being nonchalant about his chances of whupping them.

But Muschamp? Sure, you're right about him. We need to give him a sound thrashing to get that started up.

McElwain? I'd think he and Butch are equally wary of one another.

Saban? He fears no one, and has earned the right not to.

So yeah...lumpy.
 
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Lawrence Wright said:
I missed where I wished for anything...and I post here regardless.

I just think the rest of the SEC fears Butch Jones about as much as you guys fear McElwain, possibly less.
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Probably about that much less
 
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