Trump: giving license to incivility everywhere

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k-town_king said:
Yall realize he got less votes than the Hillary and only about 25% of the country supports him right? The only thing the election proved is that the EC needs to be abolished so that the actual views of Americans can be represented. So good candidates, and not just just the loons that can excite the low info voters in rural areas that have an unbalanced amount of voting power, will win in a close election.
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What an absurd and divorced from reality statement. Florida, Michigan, Ohio and Pennsylvania aren't backwoods states with no large metropolitan areas.
 
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GAVol said:
What an absurd and divorced from reality statement. Florida, Michigan, Ohio and Pennsylvania aren't backwoods states with no large metropolitan areas.
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Isn't it amazing that when liberals win, the EC is perfectly fine.

But when they lose suddenly it's "outdated" and "gives too much power."
 
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lawgator1 said:
Speaking for here, we have our ... counties.
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Oh, there's no doubt that south GA and North FL are wastelands in places.

The point is, the EC isn't what doomed her. She made a fatal error in taking the voters in the rust belt for granted and assuming they'd goose step when they saw the D next to her name. She flat ignored some of the largest states and gave them no reason to vote for her other than her last name.
 
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k-town_king said:
Yall realize he got less votes than the Hillary and only about 25% of the country supports him right? The only thing the election proved is that the EC needs to be abolished so that the actual views of Americans can be represented. So good candidates, and not just just the loons that can excite the low info voters in rural areas that have an unbalanced amount of voting power, will win in a close election.
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You do realize that if the rules were different the campaign would be different? You do realize that if the rules were different, then only CA and NY would matter? As it is, the electoral college only barely tips the scales from the major metropolitan areas having complete control of the country. Perhaps you should consider how the country might feel as a whole if the agricultural and industrial base were in a slave relationship to the upper east and west coasts.
 
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AM64 said:
You do realize that if the rules were different the campaign would be different? You do realize that if the rules were different, then only CA and NY would matter? As it is, the electoral college only barely tips the scales from the major metropolitan areas having complete control of the country. Perhaps you should consider how the country might feel as a whole if the agricultural and industrial base were in a slave relationship to the upper east and west coasts.
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Well more people live in cities so if every vote is equal more votes will come from the city. That is fair. One man one vote. You could win the the rural areas and a city or two and win the election. It really shouldn't matter where an American lives. Their votes should count equally.
 
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k-town_king said:
Well more people live in cities so if every vote is equal more votes will come from the city. That is fair. One man one vote. You could win the the rural areas and a city or two and win the election. It really shouldn't matter where an American lives. Their votes should count equally.
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Yes and no. When the cities can grow their own food, produce the power they need, produce the gasoline they need, etc rather than being welfare junkies sucking off the rest of the county; I could probably go with the "yes" - otherwise ...

The rest of the county could function without the cities, but it doesn't work the other way.
 
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lawgator1 said:
Its more than just a "disposition."

The "Get him out of here's" and the screaming at reporters at his rallies that they are the enemy of the people, and egging others on to go after the press, is more than a bad disposition or questionable temperament.

His over-the-top antics and statements about the media have in many ways and in many instances caused restraint to give way. It seems to approve of actions by his supporters that would squelch free speech and freedom of the press.

Now, I have no problem with him saying the mainstream media are not fair and do not report on him evenly. He can certainly criticize them, just as they criticize him.

But anyone who watched the way he viciously went after them and seemed to encourage hostility at least bordering on violence against them, and refuses to admit the effect that has on the extremes in the Trump base, is just not being honest.
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And speaking of being honest... wasn't it the Bernie supporters who proved to be the most violent during the campaign?
 
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k-town_king said:
Well more people live in cities so if every vote is equal more votes will come from the city. That is fair. One man one vote. You could win the the rural areas and a city or two and win the election. It really shouldn't matter where an American lives. Their votes should count equally.
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Are you still whining about votes? Hell HRC couldn't get the black vote that Obama got. Blame the black vote.
 
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AM64 said:
Yes and no. When the cities can grow their own food, produce the power they need, produce the gasoline they need, etc rather than being welfare junkies sucking off the rest of the county; I could probably go with the "yes" - otherwise ...

The rest of the county could function without the cities, but it doesn't work the other way.
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Another ignorant conservative that is actual of facts and believes conservatives talking points I see.

First off the welfare thing. There is a higher percentage of people in poverty and that receive government benefits or "welfare" in rural areas than urban areas. There are many rural areas that have the majority of the county on "welfare". No city that I know of is. Rural areas receive way more "welfare".

https://www.ers.usda.gov/topics/rur...-poverty-well-being/geography-of-poverty.aspx

http://www.urban.org/urban-wire/urban-rural-trends-snap-participation-whats-going

http://civileats.com/2014/10/09/youll-never-guess-where-food-stamps-are-in-highest-demand/



Food can't be produced in the city in large enough numbers. That is true. But the rural people aren't really producing the food. Its mega farms owned by millionaires and huge conglomerates that receive millions in undeserved farm subsidies each year. While there is no federal welfare they get the closest thing to it.

Power is not a rural product. Power plants can be located anywhere from right by the city in a urban area to hundreds of miles away.

Gas is not a "rural" product. It is in a couple of specialized regions.

You whole post is incorrect.
 
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Velo Vol said:
What problem would anyone have when the person who gets the most votes wins?

Try the opposite for once and see how you like it.
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The house and senate are popular votes.

The presidency is electoral.

They work together to seat the judiciary with life terms.

Regardless of whether or not you like the outcome, the system is designed very well.
 
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k-town_king said:
Another ignorant conservative that is actual of facts and believes conservatives talking points I see.

First off the welfare thing. There is a higher percentage of people in poverty and that receive government benefits or "welfare" in rural areas than urban areas. There are many rural areas that have the majority of the county on "welfare". No city that I know of is. Rural areas receive way more "welfare".

https://www.ers.usda.gov/topics/rur...-poverty-well-being/geography-of-poverty.aspx

http://www.urban.org/urban-wire/urban-rural-trends-snap-participation-whats-going

http://civileats.com/2014/10/09/youll-never-guess-where-food-stamps-are-in-highest-demand/



Food can't be produced in the city in large enough numbers. That is true. But the rural people aren't really producing the food. Its mega farms owned by millionaires and huge conglomerates that receive millions in underserved farm subsidies each year. While there is no federal welfare they get the closest thing to it.

Power is not a rural product. Power plants can be located anywhere from right by the city in a urban area to hundreds of miles away.

Gas is not a "rural" product. It is in a couple of specialized regions.

You whole post is incorrect.
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I haven't seen many coal mines or oil wells or uranium mines in cities, but there are a lot of NIMBYs when it comes to power plants. Technically speaking, you are correct about siting the plants, but they need input.

While family farms may to a great extent be a thing of the past, I don't think ADM or Conagra bus in people from the city to work their farms. And if you look around, you'll find manufacturing plants in many rural areas - that's in addition to the rural areas where raw resources are pumped and mined.
 
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k-town_king said:
Well more people live in cities so if every vote is equal more votes will come from the city. That is fair. One man one vote. You could win the the rural areas and a city or two and win the election. It really shouldn't matter where an American lives. Their votes should count equally.
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That's a democracy, essentially mob rule. Fortunately for you, our founding fathers were smarter than that and set up a representative republic with democratic principles, ergo the electoral college to prevent exactly what you're talking about.
 
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