D4H's 2017 NFL Draft Review (Best Picks, Best Drafts, and Predictions)

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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
Passing yards is a dumb way to measure QBs. Typically a QB throws for more yards when they are behind. QBR or QB Rating are better measures of QB play since they measure efficiency rather than just raw totals which can be misleading as a measure of QB play.

For example just because you throw more times than everyone else and end up with more yards doesn't make you a better QB.
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So, I wonder how many times you've cited yards when referencing QB's previously? I'm sure we'll all be looking forward to seeing how you use it in the future as well.

In any case why have you now totally abandoned addressing the original issue, which is how your assertion that draft position has no correlation with success utterly fails when put to scrutiny?

Edit-My curiosity was piqued to the point of looking at last years All Pro list. It makes you look even more foolish than I thought you already were...which is saying a lot.

61% of the First Team All Pro were 1st rounders. 39% were top 10 overall picks. 78% were at least 2nd rounders. Only 3 came from outside the top 100 picks.

For 1st and 2nd team 53% were 1st rounders and 74% were at least 2nd rounders. Only 14% of 1st and 2nd team All Pros (offense and defense) came from outside the top 100 picks.

Yeah...there's a hell of a correlation with draft location and success in the NFL. (and do NOT go full retard and cite exceptions as that has nothing to do with arguing correlation)
 
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
Not really. This is a very deep and talent class. Maybe the deepest and most talented in 20 years. In a more typical draft class Barnett would have been in the 25-35 range. He should still have a very good career. He just got pushed down by an abnormal amount of elite players in this year's draft.
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It is incredible though. You have Dobbs as number one and Barnett honorable mention. We won't see Dobbs take a meaningful snap next year and Barnett starts day 1.
 
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Dr. Manhattan said:
It is incredible though. You have Dobbs as number one and Barnett honorable mention. We won't see Dobbs take a meaningful snap next year and Barnett starts day 1.
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While I believe that Derek Barnett has an exponentially more opportunity to do things in the NFL, I don't expect a ton of snaps for him this year. We have Curry, Long, and Barnett who will be rotating a ton (Schwartz loves rotating D linemen). Still, to say Josh Dobbs even remotely has as much upside as Derek Barnett at this point is just plain dumb.
 
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
I'm better than the average chances of finding a starter.
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bamawriter said:
In the other thread you said you compared players based on style of play rather than talent or production. It shouldn't be so hard for you to keep your BS straight since it's in writing.
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For some guys it's both. They playing style is like the player and I expect a similar impact. For Corey Davis and Myles Garrett their playing styles are very similar to Jerry Rice and Bruce Smith. And they should be Hall of Fame caliber players at that level.
 
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Dr. Manhattan said:
It is incredible though. You have Dobbs as number one and Barnett honorable mention. We won't see Dobbs take a meaningful snap next year and Barnett starts day 1.
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Brady didn't take a snap his rookie year and is now considered arguably the best ever. Whether a guy starts day one or has to wait a little is not dispositive to having a great NFL career.

Barnett simply lacks the elite athleticism to be a dominant defensive end in the NFL. He'll be a good productive player. But the very best defensive ends in the NFL typically have elite athleticism.
 
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BearCat204 said:
While I believe that Derek Barnett has an exponentially more opportunity to do things in the NFL, I don't expect a ton of snaps for him this year. We have Curry, Long, and Barnett who will be rotating a ton (Schwartz loves rotating D linemen). Still, to say Josh Dobbs even remotely has as much upside as Derek Barnett at this point is just plain dumb.
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Barnett has limited upside as a pro. He's already a great technician who gets by on advanced hand moves and anticipating the snap of the ball. He's not gonna get much better in the NFL.

Dobbs is barely scratching the surface on his potential. Once his game reaches it's full potential he's gonna be scary. He'll be the ultimate duel threat QB. A guy who can throw for 300 yards and rush for 100 yards in any game.
 
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
Barnett has limited upside as a pro. He's already a great technician who gets by on advanced hand moves and anticipating the snap of the ball. He's not gonna get much better in the NFL.

Dobbs is barely scratching the surface on his potential. Once his game reaches it's full potential he's gonna be scary. He'll be the ultimate duel threat QB. A guy who can throw for 300 yards and rush for 100 yards in any game.
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You are literally the only person on the planet that thinks this..... The only one.
 
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
Dobbs is barely scratching the surface on his potential. Once his game reaches it's full potential he's gonna be scary. He'll be the ultimate duel threat QB. A guy who can throw for 300 yards and rush for 100 yards in any game.
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So, a guy who rushed for 100 and threw for 300 all of twice in 37 career games in college is suddenly going to be a threat to do it "in any game" in the NFL?

I think I'll just refrain from analyzing this proposition. If you're not going to spend a single second thinking about it, why should I?
 
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
Brady didn't take a snap his rookie year and is now considered arguably the best ever. Whether a guy starts day one or has to wait a little is not dispositive to having a great NFL career.

Barnett simply lacks the elite athleticism to be a dominant defensive end in the NFL. He'll be a good productive player. But the very best defensive ends in the NFL typically have elite athleticism.
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You're going to wear out the name "Brady". Nevermind he's by far the exception rather the rule.
 
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
Barnett has limited upside as a pro. He's already a great technician who gets by on advanced hand moves and anticipating the snap of the ball. He's not gonna get much better in the NFL.

Dobbs is barely scratching the surface on his potential. Once his game reaches it's full potential he's gonna be scary. He'll be the ultimate duel threat QB. A guy who can throw for 300 yards and rush for 100 yards in any game.
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ROFL....

If Cam Newton can't even do that, Dobbs has no shot in hell. You're either clearly trolling or you're one of the most delustional people on the planet.

On top of that, look again at your weaseling....."once he reaches his full potential"....you leave yourself room to make excuses when it doesn't come true. You'll shrug your shoulders and say "I said IF he reaches he full potential, it's not my fault he didnt".
 
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bamawriter said:
So, a guy who rushed for 100 and threw for 300 all of twice in 37 career games in college is suddenly going to be a threat to do it "in any game" in the NFL?

I think I'll just refrain from analyzing this proposition. If you're not going to spend a single second thinking about it, why should I?
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Plus there has only been 48 100 yard rushing games by QBs since 1960; but yeah Dobbs is going to blow that up I guess.
 
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bamawriter said:
Of course it is. Your position is simply whatever it needs to be at the time.
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That's why for a guy like Josh, I say he's Randall Cunningham with elite intangibles. The inclusion of the qualifier that he has elite intangibles is me telling you I expect Dobbs to be the better player.
 
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bamawriter said:
So, a guy who rushed for 100 and threw for 300 all of twice in 37 career games in college is suddenly going to be a threat to do it "in any game" in the NFL?

I think I'll just refrain from analyzing this proposition. If you're not going to spend a single second thinking about it, why should I?
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Dobbs was held back by Butch Jones and his conservative nature. If you watched Tennessee play you would know Josh was only let loose by Butch when we went down by 2-3 TDs. That's typically when Josh had his best games.

Plus Dobbs had less talent around him at Tennessee than he will have at Pittsburgh especially along the offensive line and at wide receiver. Josh now will play behind a great offensive line and be surrounded by elite players at wide receiver.

Josh Dobbs will be a significantly better player in the NFL than he was at Tennessee.
 
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bamawriter said:
There have literally been two 300/100 games in NFL history. Two.
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Josh will equal that by himself in his first 16 starts.

He'll be the guy that makes 300/100 games a more common occurence.

Remember before Josh went for 300/100 as a sophomore against South Carolina that only Johnny Manziel and Tim Tebow had done it before in SEC history. And only Manziel did it more than once. Josh joined him the following year as the only player in SEC history with 2 career games of 300 yards passsing and 100 yards rushing.
 
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
That's why for a guy like Josh, I say he's Randall Cunningham with elite intangibles. The inclusion of the qualifier that he has elite intangibles is me telling you I expect Dobbs to be the better player.
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Elite intangibles? The knock on him his entire career has been his accuracy and decision making.
 
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
Plus Dobbs had less talent around him at Tennessee than he will have at Pittsburgh especially along the offensive line and at wide receiver. Josh now will play behind a great offensive line and be surrounded by elite players at wide receiver.
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Two things:

1. He won't be facing college defenses.

2. Before last season, you claimed that UT had 14 likely NFL starters on the roster. That is more talent than any other college team by a country mile. What happened? Bad evaluation?
 
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
Dobbs was held back by Butch Jones and his conservative nature. If you watched Tennessee play you would know Josh was only let loose by Butch when we went down by 2-3 TDs. That's typically when Josh had his best games.

Plus Dobbs had less talent around him at Tennessee than he will have at Pittsburgh especially along the offensive line and at wide receiver. Josh now will play behind a great offensive line and be surrounded by elite players at wide receiver.

Josh Dobbs will be a significantly better player in the NFL than he was at Tennessee.
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Well no **** sherlock, everybody has less talent around them in college than they do in the NFL, the one major problem with that though is that everybody is also playing against more talented teams than they played against in college
 
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