Dobbs is already moving up the Depth Chart

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Burger said:
Actually it isn't. It was often said by Ainge that Dobbs did not know how to use the checkdown. Dobbs made two reads his whole career, Primary and Run. Even when Dobbs had time, that were still his reads. Even Travis Stephens said if Dobbs learned to use the checkdown, the team would dominate. Dobbs not being able to read a defense beyond the primary showed during the SC game.
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I watched Todd McShay and Tim Hasselbeck break down film on Dobbs in the lead-up to the draft on NFL Live showing him going through multiple reads and throwing with anticipation before guys get out of their breaks. Ron Jaworski broke down similar film on the draft preview show on NFL Matchup where he praised Dobbs ability to go through reads and throw with anticipation.

I think Todd McShay and former NFL QBs like Tim Hasselbeck and Ron Jaworski know what they are talking about more than Eric Ainge and Travis Stephens (with all due respect).
 
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
I watched Todd McShay and Tim Hasselbeck break down film on Dobbs in the lead-up to the draft on NFL Live showing him going through multiple reads and throwing with anticipation before guys get out of their breaks. Ron Jaworski broke down similar film on the draft preview show on NFL Matchup where he praised Dobbs ability to go through reads and throw with anticipation.

I think Todd McShay and former NFL QBs like Tim Hasselbeck and Ron Jaworski know what they are talking about more than Eric Ainge and Travis Stephens (with all due respect).
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Todd McShay is a dummy. We can go through game after game with where Dobbs missed a wide open receiver multiple times.
 
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Burger said:
Todd McShay is a dummy. We can go through game after game with where Dobbs missed a wide open receiver multiple times.
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The difference between you and McShay is McShay studies multiple players. He doesn't just watch one team or one QB. So while you are hyper critical of Dobbs for whatever reason, he doesn't compare Dobbs to some imaginary perfect QB. He compares Dobbs to his peers (other QBs coming out for the draft).

This has been my main argument with guys like you that are so critical of Josh. Its not that I don't see the same inconsistency you see. I just watch more football than just Tennessee football. So I see that other QBs miss open receivers as well. I see them make mistakes. I see them make wrong reads. Josh is not any more inaccurate than a lot of the other QBs people praise.

This is why I say the idea he has accuracy issues are a MYTH. If he has accuracy issues then so does almost every other QB that came out for the draft this year and most years. There are very few perfect QBs. Josh Dobbs is a GREAT PASSER. And he will be a GREAT QB in the NFL.
 
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Burger said:
Actually it isn't. It was often said by Ainge that Dobbs did not know how to use the checkdown. Dobbs made two reads his whole career, Primary and Run. Even when Dobbs had time, that were still his reads. Even Travis Stephens said if Dobbs learned to use the checkdown, the team would dominate. Dobbs not being able to read a defense beyond the primary showed during the SC game.
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If I played behind the o lines he has, I'd have a one read and run mindset too
 
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
The difference between you and McShay is McShay studies multiple players. He doesn't just watch one team or one QB. So while you are hyper critical of Dobbs for whatever reason, he doesn't compare Dobbs to some imaginary perfect QB. He compares Dobbs to his peers (other QBs coming out for the draft).

This has been my main argument with guys like you that are so critical of Josh. Its not that I don't see the same inconsistency you see. I just watch more football than just Tennessee football. So I see that other QBs miss open receivers as well. I see them make mistakes. I see them make wrong reads. Josh is not any more inaccurate than a lot of the other QBs people praise.

This is why I say the idea he has accuracy issues are a MYTH. If he has accuracy issues then so does almost every other QB that came out for the draft this year and most years. There are very few perfect QBs. Josh Dobbs is a GREAT PASSER. And he will be a GREAT QB in the NFL.
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You have said, multiple times, that McShay does not do player assessments.
 
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Dougie_D said:
There is absolutely NO development in QBs until they are needed.

If that's the case, you wouldn't see QBs get drafted over guys who are 2/3rd on depth chart.

Bray has been in "development" with KC for years.. you really think KC gave up those picks to snag Mahomes to make him a 3rd stringer? Nah
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Bray hasn't developed into a starter within a window of time. It's that simple. Unless they are freak talents like Newton or Winston, or the injury bug forces rookies on the field early, they are slowly developed and will absolutely not play as a rookie. That's a fact. Aaron Rogers probably could have played after two years but stayed behind Favre a long time after that.
 
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
The difference between you and McShay is McShay studies multiple players. He doesn't just watch one team or one QB. So while you are hyper critical of Dobbs for whatever reason, he doesn't compare Dobbs to some imaginary perfect QB. He compares Dobbs to his peers (other QBs coming out for the draft).

This has been my main argument with guys like you that are so critical of Josh. Its not that I don't see the same inconsistency you see. I just watch more football than just Tennessee football. So I see that other QBs miss open receivers as well. I see them make mistakes. I see them make wrong reads. Josh is not any more inaccurate than a lot of the other QBs people praise. With the speed of the NFL, that will take time.

This is why I say the idea he has accuracy issues are a MYTH. If he has accuracy issues then so does almost every other QB that came out for the draft this year and most years. There are very few perfect QBs. Josh Dobbs is a GREAT PASSER. And he will be a GREAT QB in the NFL.
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Good God...We are all pulling for Dobbs but your continuous, obsessive, unrealistic expectations are the same as fingernails on a chalkboard. Dobbs not only missed wide open receivers, he missed a lot. All correctable with QB coaching, which he never had.
 
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PrattvilleVol said:
Good God...We are all pulling for Dobbs but your continuous, obsessive, unrealistic expectations are the same as fingernails on a chalkboard. Dobbs not only missed wide open receivers, he missed a lot. All correctable with QB coaching, which he never had.
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Almost makes one wonder why people just don't stop reading and responding. D4H is stringing you along along and laughing his butt off. I think I could start a D4H support group and get rich. Cracks me up how you all think it's real.
 
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
No. I said he typically doesn't do a good job when it comes to player assessments. The one on Dobbs just happens to be one of his few good ones.
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No, you literally said he doesn't do assessments. You said he simply regurgitates what he hears from his sources, which (again, according to you) is why he's not worth listening to until after the combine.
 
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Josh focusing on JUST football will be huge. He has spent so much time on academics through out his whole life.

If he can stay healthy, the sky is the limit for him................
 
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bamawriter said:
No, you literally said he doesn't do assessments. You said he simply regurgitates what he hears from his sources, which (again, according to you) is why he's not worth listening to until after the combine.
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You're confused. I said that his MOCK DRAFTS and draft projections around the week of the draft are worth listening to because at that time he is regurgitating useful information from his sources in the NFL. That was in response to KBVol when he was posting all these links to draft sites that had Dobbs going in the 6th-7th round in January before the senior bowl. I said those draft projections were useless. I said that draft projections around the week of the draft are the only ones worth paying attention to.

I never said McShay doesn't evaluate players himself. He says he does that all the time. I just said his player evaluations were useless since he doesn't know what he is talking about most of the time. However, I gave McShay some credit this year cause his evaluation of Dobbs was better than most of his peers so he earned a little respect from me. He was one of the few people who had Dobbs rated as a 2nd round prospect. Most others had him in the 3rd round or later.

Still most of McShay's players rankings for the draft were terrible. As evidenced by the fact he had future bust Jonathan Allen rated as the #3 overall player in the draft.
 
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
I never said McShay doesn't evaluate players himself. He says he does that all the time. I just said his player evaluations were useless since he doesn't know what he is talking about most of the time.
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No, what you said was:

If you think Mel Kiper and Todd McShay are actually evaluating players then I feel sorry for you that you are that gullible.
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Here's the link to your post:

http://www.volnation.com/forum/showpost.php?p=13639443&postcount=246

Can't spin this one.
 
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bamawriter said:
No, what you said was:



Here's the link to your post:

http://www.volnation.com/forum/showpost.php?p=13639443&postcount=246

Can't spin this one.
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I love how you cut out the entire first paragraph. CONTEXT IS EVERYTHING. The paragraph that preceded that quote is exactly what I'm saying right now. When I said I feel sorry for anyone who thinks McShay and Kiper actually rate prospects, it was in the context of them just parroting and following the opinions of other talent evaluators in the NFL.

Kiper himself used that as an excuse of why he didn't have Dak rated high last year. He said he had a talent evaluator in the NFL call him and say you can't do that. McShay also takes guidance from guys in the league on where to rank prospects.

That post you tried to quote was about how all these "experts" fall in line when it comes to prospects. I'm giving McShay credit for grading Dobbs as a 2nd rounder versus most others that had him as a 3rd rounder or lower.

True evaluations of players are rare. You'll never see McShay or Kiper stick their neck out there and rate a guy as a first rounder that others have as a low round players. That is what the statement was going towards not that they actually don't watch some tape and try to rate the prospects. They say they do that so I can't deny it. But they'll never give out actual ratings without consulting what others think.
 
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Once again, you said that McShay does not evaluate players. Here is the paragraph in question so that all context is provided:

Actually no. That's the case for NFL teams but not for most of these "draft experts". Their prerogative is more $$$. And for the online services that means more eye balls. So they have it in their interest to not stray too far from the consensus. Same with the TV guys. Their main job is to give us inside info on what the NFL teams are thinking. They are not actually evaluating the prospects themselves. If everyone was doing individual evaluations, I'm sure someone before the draft would have said Dak Prescott was the best QB in the draft. But no one said that. Why? Because the consensus was already formed on him. He was just another athletic spread QB with below average height and arm strength. Thus no one took a stance counter to it. These guys just want to all fall in line so that when they miss, they can say everyone else missed as well.
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You'll note that you claim that the TV draft experts don't do evaluations. This first pararaph only details what you summarized in the second.

If you want, I'll be glad to provide other instances where you repeated your assertion that McShay does not evaluate players, but rather parrots league sources. If you want more, I can help you out.
 
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
I love how you cut out the entire first paragraph. CONTEXT IS EVERYTHING. The paragraph that preceded that quote is exactly what I'm saying right now. When I said I feel sorry for anyone who thinks McShay and Kiper actually rate prospects, it was in the context of them just parroting and following the opinions of other talent evaluators in the NFL.

Kiper himself used that as an excuse of why he didn't have Dak rated high last year. He said he had a talent evaluator in the NFL call him and say you can't do that. McShay also takes guidance from guys in the league on where to rank prospects.

That post you tried to quote was about how all these "experts" fall in line when it comes to prospects. I'm giving McShay credit for grading Dobbs as a 2nd rounder versus most others that had him as a 3rd rounder or lower.

True evaluations of players are rare. You'll never see McShay or Kiper stick their neck out there and rate a guy as a first rounder that others have as a low round players. That is what the statement was going towards not that they actually don't watch some tape and try to rate the prospects. They say they do that so I can't deny it. But they'll never give out actual ratings without consulting what others think.
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Nothing but spin here! Fake news! Sad!
 
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2 star posters that post lengthy dissertations don't deserve much attention, especially when everything they post is focused on their viewpoint, while discounting and ignoring everybody else. JMHO.

Posters that say what they have to say in 50 words or less have my attention. Anything beyond that is selling BS.
 
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
The difference between you and McShay is McShay studies multiple players. He doesn't just watch one team or one QB. So while you are hyper critical of Dobbs for whatever reason, he doesn't compare Dobbs to some imaginary perfect QB. He compares Dobbs to his peers (other QBs coming out for the draft).

This has been my main argument with guys like you that are so critical of Josh. Its not that I don't see the same inconsistency you see. I just watch more football than just Tennessee football. So I see that other QBs miss open receivers as well. I see them make mistakes. I see them make wrong reads. Josh is not any more inaccurate than a lot of the other QBs people praise.

This is why I say the idea he has accuracy issues are a MYTH. If he has accuracy issues then so does almost every other QB that came out for the draft this year and most years. There are very few perfect QBs. Josh Dobbs is a GREAT PASSER. And he will be a GREAT QB in the NFL.
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Are you kidding me? You basically said I don't watch football. I've been watching football a lot longer than you have, and I have actually played organized football. I'll put this in bullet points for you.

- Jalen Hurts knows how to drop off to the back
- Luke Del Rio knows how to drop off to the back
- Jacob Eason knows how to drop off to the back

You see the trend here?

It's not that other QBs don't miss open receivers; it's that a NFL potential QB shouldn't be throwing worm bruisers 5 yards in front of the WR like we've seen Josh do.

You know why Chad Kelly beat Alabama and Josh Dobbs didn't? Chad Kelly is a way better passer. His instincts as a QB to get rid of the ball, and he was accurate and had enough power to get it to his WRs.

And you're finally getting the fact that most college QBs have accuracy issues, which is why hardly any are panning out.
 
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