Star players skipping bowl games

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fade route said:
They have zero obligation to the fans, and no one said that they weren't going to class, only skipping bowl games or the end of the season.
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Their scholarship paid for all their classes in return for their athletic prowess. So if they refuse to play then the school should bill them for tuition.


The purpose of colleges is academics. However sports scholarships are an exchange, not a hand out. If a player does not meet their end of the deal then the school shouldn't have to meet theirs. Obviously injuries Incurred during a game are an exception and the player should get the appropriate time to heal and not be punished.

I understand their decision and it may be the smart move, but it's a terrible precedent and what about the team mates they leave behind to fight alone? Is that player great without blocking or a QB throwing them the ball or a WR blocking for them.

All the "bowls don't matter crowd" are the same ones that were mad we didn't make the Sugar Bowl.
 
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TrumpedUpVol said:
Sitting yourself in your final game(s) because you're worried about being injured doing the precise thing for which you've been given a scholarship/you're literally hoping to do professionally the following fall is not indicative of a team-player mindset, and refusing team workouts should raise a few red flags.

If McCaffery fails at the next level, teams should have pause about giving players who engage in the same behavior the benefit of the doubt.
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Well it doesn't raise red flags for the people who actually matter.
 
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jonnon111 said:
Their scholarship paid for all their classes in return for their athletic prowess. So if they refuse to play then the school should bill them for tuition.


The purpose of colleges is academics. However sports scholarships are an exchange, not a hand out. If a player does not meet their end of the deal then the school shouldn't have to meet theirs. Obviously injuries Incurred during a game are an exception and the player should get the appropriate time to heal and not be punished.

I understand their decision and it may be the smart move, but it's a terrible precedent and what about the team mates they leave behind to fight alone? Is that player great without blocking or a QB throwing them the ball or a WR blocking for them.

All the "bowls don't matter crowd" are the same ones that were mad we didn't make the Sugar Bowl.
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Bill them for the tuition? Lol, as soon as they athlete can bill the University for the money they bring in and the jersey sales they have.
 
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BearCat204 said:
Bill them for the tuition? Lol, as soon as they athlete can bill the University for the money they bring in and the jersey sales they have.
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Exactly. I'm this poster is also for pulling a scholarship to free up space for a 4 or 5 star.
 
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fade route said:
Fournette could've played but chose not to in order to avoid making the injury worse.

You may not respect it but NFL teams sure don't give a crap about your principles. Fournette and McCaffery were top 10 picks.
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Could've smuld've. Fournette had a medical reason. He wanted to play. You could see it in his eyes at the bowl game. That I can respect. McCaffery and other guys like him? I look for them to be selfish in the league and be self centered there as well.

So, as usual, you are just slicing the argument to support your all knowing all wise position. You asked an opinion, I gave mine. Don't like it? You don't have to be an immature ass about it EVERY day.
 
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I don't think it really hurt anybody that skipped but I think it might have helped Cam..The Pitt GM seemed impressed that he worked hard to be able to get back on the field for the last couple of games..he said some would have just moved on to the next phase
 
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BearCat204 said:
Bill them for the tuition? Lol, as soon as they athlete can bill the University for the money they bring in and the jersey sales they have.
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If you agree to a deal then you should honor that deal. Period.

If a player wants that money, then they should only sign if that's in writing. Basically, hold out and negotiate.

And since players do NOT hold out and they DO agree to play football in return for an education, they should play to the best of their abilities as long as the school pays their tuition.

As far as part of the income, does that same player, take Barnett for example, did he not enrich himself using the facilities, staff, structures and platform of UT to gain a great job? He did not build those buildings, pay that staff, or build that fan base. Should we charge the players rent on the training facilities? Should we make the players pay to see a trainer? Basically, do players not exploit UT to display their talents as well?

I am not saying the kids made a bad decision for themselves which is who they should look out for. If I was talented enough I'd save myself too, luckily I never had to decide between what's right and 20 million dollars lol. However, it's a selfish act in a team game and that bothers my idealistic soul:p. So tifwiw
 
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I wouldn't like it but i would understand if they sit out the Bowl, now unless you are in the playoffs a lot of players will skip next year there will be between 10 to 15 and then it will increase from then on my fear is like Hurd did there will be a lot of players that will start training for the Draft after there team is out of the playoff race.
 
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The NCAA and individual schools are making enormous wealth off these kids. The few kids that can get paid should do what they can to protect themselves. If the school wanted to pay for an insurance policy, let them work it out with the player. The school won't pay the kid if he gets hurt.
 
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Watch these Star players all the sudden develop an "injury" to prevent them from playing instead of choosing not to play. Sounds better right? After all the Universities are making Big $$$ off of the Bowl Games and the players get nothing. Got to look out after you and your family first.
 
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jonnon111 said:
If you agree to a deal then you should honor that deal. Period.

If a player wants that money, then they should only sign if that's in writing. Basically, hold out and negotiate.

And since players do NOT hold out and they DO agree to play football in return for an education, they should play to the best of their abilities as long as the school pays their tuition.

As far as part of the income, does that same player, take Barnett for example, did he not enrich himself using the facilities, staff, structures and platform of UT to gain a great job? He did not build those buildings, pay that staff, or build that fan base. Should we charge the players rent on the training facilities? Should we make the players pay to see a trainer? Basically, do players not exploit UT to display their talents as well?

I am not saying the kids made a bad decision for themselves which is who they should look out for. If I was talented enough I'd save myself too, luckily I never had to decide between what's right and 20 million dollars lol. However, it's a selfish act in a team game and that bothers my idealistic soul:p. So tifwiw
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Honor the deal? Could you point to me where part if their deal says they will play every game of the season if they are healthy?
 
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77' Vol said:
Watch these Star players all the sudden develop an "injury" to prevent them from playing instead of choosing not to play. Sounds better right? After all the Universities are making Big $$$ off of the Bowl Games and the players get nothing. Got to look out after you and your family first.
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Exactly. And the pumpers for each of those fanbases will say, "See. He's injured. So it's OK."
 
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BearCat204 said:
Honor the deal? Could you point to me where part if their deal says they will play every game of the season if they are healthy?
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Maybe you can tell me what a football scholarship is for since apparently you don't think it involves playing football.:unsure:
 
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If a players sits out a bowl game or games at the end of a season, then he has quit. No more use of schools facilities, no "pro day" at the school, nothing, no more free (I use the term loosely) class. He starts paying his way. To put it simple as I can, he quit....
 
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If a guy is grading as a top 20 pick in the draft and isn't playing for a national championship, I wouldn't mind if he chose to sit. Just makes sense. I don't necessarily like it but the amount of money to be lost is staggering. My momentary feel good isn't worth that guy's future.
 
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savannahfan said:
If a players sits out a bowl game or games at the end of a season, then he has quit. No more use of schools facilities, no "pro day" at the school, nothing, no more free (I use the term loosely) class. He starts paying his way. To put it simple as I can, he quit....
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And when he announces his middle school instead on UT on Monday Night Football you will lose your mind.

The "using" goes both ways.
 
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fade route said:
SIAP - McCaffery and Fournette skipped their bowl games to protect themselves from injury and risk their draft status and they went #4 and #8 respectively. Jake Butt tore his ACL in Michigan's bowl game and was projected to be a 1st round pick and slipped to the 5th round because of the injury.

My question is this - would you hold it against a star UT player for sitting out a bowl game to protect their draft status?

What if it's a significant bowl?

My opinion is that I don't have a problem with it unless its the playoff game and national title game. Guys have to protect their futures and there is so much $$ at stake and the differences between rounds is huge. What say you?
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First a bowl game, then the playoffs, then no football in November. Eventually we will have players sit out their junior season and go straight to the pros.

Yee Haw
 
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#73
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There's no interest like self interest.
There's no business like show business.

So if UT loses to UF and UG, then we can start to see missing players down the stretch.....forget the bowl games?
 
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salutethehill said:
I wouldn't like it for the team, but I would completely understand and not blame him for it.

But what door does this open? After 3 losses, why not sit out the rest of the season?
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According to what I've read on here it shouldn't matter and we should not lose. The way I've read was next man up. We had star players like JRM, Sutton, Kamara and others miss games due to injuries. The theme here is next man up. Win with or without these key players, losses means coach is on hot seat.
 
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savannahfan said:
If a players sits out a bowl game or games at the end of a season, then he has quit. No more use of schools facilities, no "pro day" at the school, nothing, no more free (I use the term loosely) class. He starts paying his way. To put it simple as I can, he quit....
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So, if a player gets a career ending injury should they keep their scholarship? They usually don't. Beside tuition, it's a very one sided deal for the school.

Yes they get a free ride, but they could easily go to a cheap community college or take online classes if they weren't athletes.
 
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