Josh Dobbs - NFL Draft thread (merged)

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hndog609 said:
His argument is so absurd at times it's like he's arguing being a very good college player is a negative.
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Its not so much about being a great player in college as much as it is about being HYPED up as the best in college.

The BEST college players are never the best or close to it in the pros. They almost always flame out. Just look at how many heisman winners turn out to be busts. Its almost like clockwork.
 
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BearCat204 said:
Because none of them jumps out to you as being capable of being a franchise guy.............and everyone is desperately looking for one of those who are.
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eh, desperate? cleveland and houston are desperate. SF, NYJ have a pressing need, but nothing in this crop to warrant top 5 picks.

a handful of others would like to get the ball rolling on the qb of the future and aren't going to reach if they don't have to.

there's no reason more than 2 qb's SHOULD get taken in this 1st round tonight.
 
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KBVol said:
In 2015, Watson threw for 4100 yards and 35 touchdowns while completing 67.8% of his passes......Williams caught 2 passes for 20 yards that year.....please square up those two facts for us, would you? How does this prove/support your assertion? Those were 2 hellacious catches for 20 yards by Williams that saved Watson's career.
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
He had other great playmakers. Mike Williams was just one of many. Did you already forget that incredible catch Jordan Leggett made on that inaccurate throw in the final seconds of the national title game before the game winning pass?
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Well uh, dur, I mean, uh, I know I singled out Williams, and Williams basically didn't play in 2015, but don't you remember that one other pass that one other guy caught in a totally different season?


DURRRRRRRR
 
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EZE said:
My thoughts exactly. Why reach for a QB with question marks with a high pick, when you can take a QB with similar question marks in the second or even third round.
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yep. the only thing that screws that up is if someone takes one in, or trades up in to, the top 5 or 6, and it starts a run on qb's that should not take place otherwise.
 
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jakez4ut said:
eh, desperate? cleveland and houston are desperate. SF, NYJ have a pressing need, but nothing in this crop to warrant top 5 picks.

a handful of others would like to get the ball rolling on the qb of the future and aren't going to reach if they don't have to.

there's no reason more than 2 qb's SHOULD get taken in this 1st round tonight.
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I would say that if you are drafting solely on talent, then none of them should go in the first. This is a QB driven league and if you don't have a great one, you are hosed. There will be more than 2 drafted tonight IMO.....but they really shouldn't be.
 
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KBVol said:
No he didn't. Young had one good year as a junior, which didn't sniff what Deshaun did over the course of 3 years. Only thing they did similarly was dominate a national title game...actually, check that, Deshaun dominated 2 of them.

Vince was an petulant, immature prima donna, one trick pony who couldn't adjust to an NFL that adjusted to him and shut him down. Watson comes across as a poised, in control, mature young qb who knows how to lead and win. The anti-Vince Young.

Not sure why you hate Watson, other than you think someone pointing out how good he is somehow takes away from Josh, which is silly. Josh had a very good career at Tennessee. Deshaun simply had a better one and accomplished much more.
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Not sure why you hate Dobbs. You claim to love the kid but at every turn you're dissing him.

For the record, I have nothing against Watson. I don't like him or hate him. I'm just pretty confident he will flame out in the NFL like every other hyped up star college QB. While I'm 100% confident Dobbs will be a star in the NFL like Randall Cunningham.

Deshaun definitely had more college success. There is no doubt about that. But Dobbs will definitely have more NFL success. And there will be no doubt about that either.

Personally, I prefer NFL success over college success.
 
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
Its not so much about being a great player in college as much as it is about being HYPED up as the best in college.

The BEST college players are never the best or close to it in the pros. They almost always flame out. Just look at how many heisman winners turn out to be busts. Its almost like clockwork.
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This entire post is just filled with derp. The best college players almost always flame out? The Heisman winner hasn't been about being the best player in college in a long, long time.
 
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BearCat204 said:
I would say that if you are drafting solely on talent, then none of them should go in the first. This is a QB driven league and if you don't have a great one, you are hosed. There will be more than 2 drafted tonight IMO.....but they really shouldn't be.
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oh, i agree. but someone has fallen in love with someone, somewhere, and 2 will get picked, for sure.

more than that, and whatever...good luck.:thumbsup:
 
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
Not sure why you hate Dobbs. You claim to love the kid but at every turn you're dissing him.

For the record, I have nothing against Watson. I don't like him or hate him. I'm just pretty confident he will flame out in the NFL like every other hyped up star college QB. While I'm 100% confident Dobbs will be a star in the NFL like Randall Cunningham.

Deshaun definitely had more college success. There is no doubt about that. But Dobbs will definitely have more NFL success. And there will be no doubt about that either.

Personally, I prefer NFL success over college success.
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Who's only comparable trait is that they are both black and can run.
 
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BearCat204 said:
Who's only comparable trait is that they are both black and can run.
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i guess he's missing the part where RC floundered around the NFL for a decade, with his only contribution being highlights on the nightly news, before finally settling in as a pocket passer, very late in his career with the Vikings.

yeah, that's the path JD should want to be on.
 
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bamawriter said:
In fairness, D4H started watching football quite recently. He may have no idea that Randall Cunningham is black.
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or that his career didn't turn the corner until very late, after the highlight flips and runs were all used up, never amounting to anything more than plays of the week on ESPN.
 
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jakez4ut said:
yep. the only thing that screws that up is if someone takes one in, or trades up in to, the top 5 or 6, and it starts a run on qb's that should not take place otherwise.
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There are around 6-7 QBs in a similar grouping in this draft IMO, which is a lot. There will undoubtedly be some of them available in the second round, and most likely even later.

As I stated above, I think Mahomes is the most intriguing QB in this draft (but I admit I don't watch as much "film" as others on here). I don't know where he is slotted, but I would take a real hard look at him if available in the second round.

If Cleveland burns #1 on Trubisky, it will just reaffirm their stupidity. I think it would be a bad move to take him at 12, but much more palatable than at 1.
 
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EZE said:
There are around 6-7 QBs in a similar grouping in this draft IMO, which is a lot. There will undoubtedly be some of them available in the second round, and most likely even later.

As I stated above, I think Mahomes is the most intriguing QB in this draft (but I admit I don't watch as much "film" as others on here). I don't know where he is slotted, but I would take a real hard look at him if available in the second round.

If Cleveland burns #1 on Trubisky, it will just reaffirm their stupidity. I think it would be a bad move to take him at 12, but much more palatable than at 1.
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mahommes only issue is between the ears. he makes bad decisions and just thinks he can make any throw, any time. physically, he's kind of ridiculous with his arm. get him with the right OC and QB coach and he could be pretty darn good.

i think MT and PM will probably be the 1st two taken. and someone will probably take DW either late 1st round, or very early 2nd. i feel fairly comfortable thinking that those are the 1st three taken...

after that, it's just going to depend on where teams have guys like Webb, Peterman, Dobbs and Kizer on their boards.

and agreed. if cleveland really takes MT 1st overall....they deserve whatever they get as a result, good or bad....:eek:lol:
 
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and i'm still not sure why MT is getting all the headlines as the 1st qb in that group. 1 yr starter, good, not great, stats....just not a lot there in the whole body of work that tells you definitively one way or the other.

he "looks" the part of starting NFL qb, and has shown some ability. that's about it as far as i can tell. i can't help but look at him and think he's got this "deer in the headlights" look about him.
 
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jakez4ut said:
and i'm still not sure why MT is getting all the headlines as the 1st qb in that group. 1 yr starter, good, not great, stats....just not a lot there in the whole body of work that tells you definitively one way or the other.

he "looks" the part of starting NFL qb, and has shown some ability. that's about it as far as i can tell. i can't help but look at him and think he's got this "deer in the headlights" look about him.
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I agree with you there, too. Just because a guy "looks" the part doesn't mean he can play it. Leaf looked much more physically imposing than Manning, and the Colts almost committed a colossal blunder because of it.
 
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EZE said:
I agree with you there, too. Just because a guy "looks" the part doesn't mean he can play it. Leaf looked much more physically imposing than Manning, and the Colts almost committed a colossal blunder because of it.
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yeah, it's not like these franchises have always been solid when evaluating qb's.

so all things being equal, if i'm a GM, picking in the top 15, i do nothing and hope like hell someone else gets an itchy trigger finger and does something stupid to my benefit.

like CLE taking a QB with that 1st pick. that's be great. SF would have some serious decisions to make, and it would have a serious domino effect that could benefit everyone picking behind them.
 
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it could go from a draft with perceived little to no trade activity at the top, to a full on bull rush to move up.
 
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
Not sure why you hate Dobbs. You claim to love the kid but at every turn you're dissing him.

For the record, I have nothing against Watson. I don't like him or hate him. I'm just pretty confident he will flame out in the NFL like every other hyped up star college QB. While I'm 100% confident Dobbs will be a star in the NFL like Randall Cunningham.

Deshaun definitely had more college success. There is no doubt about that. But Dobbs will definitely have more NFL success. And there will be no doubt about that either.

Personally, I prefer NFL success over college success.
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you're a self proclaimed fare weather fan, the bar, in that regard, is set pretty low. no one expects otherwise.:thumbsup:
 
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Here's the deal. The Browns need a QB. Someone IS going to take a QB in the first 10 picks. So if the Browns go Garrett at one, someone else is going to grab Trubisky. Now, where do the Browns look for a QB?
 
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