19 Year Old Dies After Denial From Transplant List For Trace THC

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bigdaddy said:
Sorry but eating bacon or being a vegetarian has zero effect on CHF/heart failure which is why you get a transplant. But nice try
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Clogging up those blood vessels will cause the heart to work harder and fail sooner. Shouldn't priority be given to those with the cleanest arteries?

Does THC cause lung failure?
 
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kiddiedoc said:
Those are actually published studies from peer-reviewed resources. Of course, you can argue that you are more educated than basically all of science, but that's on you.

Notice that I included the statement that there is not clear evidence of long term health consequences aside from those noted. If you want to blindly believe that a potent neuroactive chemical that is often inhaled, causing many people to cough violently, has absolutely no negative effects on the brain or cardiopulmonary system, go right ahead.
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Compare it to alcohol, which is legal, in any way you wish and show me how it is more harmful.

Until then point your pitchfork in a different direction and I will be just fine.
 
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Thunder Good-Oil said:
Why should pot be illegal while cigarettes, alcohol, diet Coke, and bacon aren't? Those things have been studied as well, probably more than pot, and haven't the results shown them to all be harmful?
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Cigarettes might as well be illegal. I have never smoked, but the prices have gone way up, and many cities have ordinances restricting smoking in certain locations. You have to work at smoking these days.
 
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bigdaddy said:
Maybe if you take an entire bottle of aspirin to kill yourself? But no, OTC pain killers aren't leading to death and he is just making that up. All drugs are essentially poison. All drugs have deleterious effects. But to say that tylenol is more impairing than THC is a joke
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Yea, I was going to state that, but if you ingest a whole bottle of almost anything, it can kill you.
 
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Thunder Good-Oil said:
Should those on the transplant list for a heart have less priority if they eat bacon? Should vegan's needing a heart be at the top of the list?
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This isn't the debate. Again, let's not confuse the issues. As long as the patient isn't currently addicted/ingesting alcohol, tobacco, or illicit drugs, they will give you a transplant, no matter what created the problem.
 
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VolGee4 said:
This isn't the debate. Again, let's not confuse the issues. As long as the patient isn't currently addicted/ingesting alcohol, tobacco, or illicit drugs, they will give you a transplant, no matter what created the problem.
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It's turned into a defense of marijuana debate and the original argument is lost. I'm actually for legalization of hemp and marijuana but in this case, the kid lost his transplant for breaking a contract with the hospital. But let's blame the government his failure to follow simple rules
 
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bignewt said:
Compare it to alcohol, which is legal, in any way you wish and show me how it is more harmful.

Until then point your pitchfork in a different direction and I will be just fine.
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But he didn't compare it to alcohol, you did. He is saying that smoking pot isn't a medically benign.
 
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bigdaddy said:
It's turned into a defense of marijuana debate and the original argument is lost. I'm actually for legalization of hemp and marijuana but in this case, the kid lost his transplant for breaking a contract with the hospital. But let's blame the government his failure to follow simple rules
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I feel bad for the family, but I can't get over the epic stupidity of someone in need of a lung transplant inhaling anything other than air.
 
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GAVol said:
I feel bad for the family, but I can't get over the epic stupidity of someone in need of a lung transplant inhaling anything other than air.
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It is sad a young man lost his life but he made a choice. There are many transplant candidates that die from things that wasn't their choice. I've seen it first hand and it's tragic to see an patient on the transplant list have a stroke and be taken off the list. That saddens me
 
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VolGee4 said:
I am not a doctor, but what OTC pain killers are people addicted to and causing death? I am a criminal defense attorney, and I have never really heard of one.
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Tylenol kills 400-500 people a year. It's something I warn my football players about. They think it's harmless and many will try to use such things daily, which leads to liver failure.
 
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'We do not transplant organs in patients with active alcohol, tobacco or illicit drug use or dependencies until these issues are addressed, as these substances are contraindicated for a transplant,' the statement said.
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Honest Questions: If it takes one month for an avid user to clean THC from their system and the kid was in the hospital for 2 months, why couldn't they have kept him and did the surgery after it cleared out? Especially since he was an infrequent user. Also, What do they mean "until issues are addressed"? Would he have had to have counseling that they couldn't do while he was in the hospital? Especially considering they could have put him on the list and still would have had to wait on an organ becoming available and the THC to clear his system and him get some form of counseling.
 
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Vol8188 said:
Tylenol kills 400-500 people a year. It's something I warn my football players about. They think it's harmless and many will try to use such things daily, which leads to liver failure.
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Again, show me where Tylenol when used as directed is causing 500 deaths from liver failure in patients with no previous liver morbidity
 
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GAVol said:
I feel bad for the family, but I can't get over the epic stupidity of someone in need of a lung transplant inhaling anything other than air.
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Could've been edibles. Especially considering how bad of shape his lungs were in. Makes edibles seem even more likely
 
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bigdaddy said:
Again, show me where Tylenol when used as directed is causing 500 deaths from liver failure in patients with no previous liver morbidity
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Do you work for Tylenol or something? This is a very simple and well known fact that you seem to be compelled to disprove.

What's your angle? Tylenol is very dangerous. Especially when compared to marijuana
 
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bigdaddy said:
It's turned into a defense of marijuana debate and the original argument is lost. I'm actually for legalization of hemp and marijuana but in this case, the kid lost his transplant for breaking a contract with the hospital. But let's blame the government his failure to follow simple rules
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The contract banned "illicit drugs", therefore the legality of marijuana is relevant. He was denied a transplant because of the legality of marijuana
 
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Vol8188 said:
Do you work for Tylenol or something? This is a very simple and well known fact that you seem to be compelled to disprove.

What's your angle? Tylenol is very dangerous. Especially when compared to marijuana
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No, but I am very familiar with drugs and how to use them and administer them and can tell you that Tylenol when used in accordance to the label will not kill you with liver failure if you are otherwise healthy
 
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Vol8188 said:
The contract banned "illicit drugs", therefore the legality of marijuana is relevant. He was denied a transplant because of the legality of marijuana
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No he was denied transplant because he broke the contract.
 
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