If Dormady and Guarantano Remain Even By 9/4/17

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Butch runs a read option offense with varying wrinkles now and then. Not sure if Scott will change that. JD fits that mold. Really like QD, but JD fits the system.
 
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utvols74 said:
Hurd over Kamara....?

Enough said.
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butchna said:
I'd say good luck finding a chump coach who lays their cards down before spring practice. And of the candidates, I'd see the true junior and redshirt sophomore as more likely to feel "strung along" than the fella with four years of eligibility.
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Redshirt Freshman?
 
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Consider this scenario, and it all depends on the pieces fall in the right place. Either of these qbs, I believe, will be more wr friendly thus more conducive for a more prolific passing attack. If Dormady wins the starting job, he could get a lot of attention from the next level. Being tall, strong, good arm talent and a good head on his shoulders, he could be seen as an nfl prototype. If that is looking like a possibility any time next season, I guarantee JG does not bolt. Especially if he gets some time on the field. Then we get to see them both star here. If its the other way around, there is no way QD sticks around. But that's just a best case scenario.
 
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butchna said:
And he'd have to sit ANOTHER season to satisfy a transfer. Hope he has enough nails. :) If he's that delicate and bails instead of fighting to win the job, he's not what we've ballyhooed. I don't believe that about him btw. :shhh:
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I do realize he would have to sit out for a year depending on where he goes, but these youngins these days, hard to read sometimes. I don't think they think they are delicate when they transfer, to them, it's just a way to get to the end goal. NFL. Look at Joe Flacco, he redshirted at Pitt in 03, then in 04 he played back up again, and decided to transfer to Deleware. The rest is history. Yes, I know we can pull 1nsy 2sy's out, but that's what these kids see. I can go to a div II school and play immediately with my talent and still get to the NFL. So my point still stands. Don't be surprised if he transfers if he plays backup.
 
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It's a long season and I'd be very surprised if the Vols can go the whole season without any injury to the QB position.

It's conceivable that the Vols may need more than 2 QB's to complete the 2017 season
 
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IndianapolisVol said:
They all 3 started fall camp with the tide and one of them transferred a week before the first game, one transferred between the SEC Championship game and the playoffs and the other played 2nd string all season and transferred after the season.

So, you're argument is quite a bit flawed... They all 3 transferred because they lost the competition to Hurts. Hurts didn't win the competition because they transferred as you suggest.

Thank you, come again. :thud:
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Never suggested such a thing and who's arguing . :snakehead: Dudes got recruited over, knew they wouldn't play. Point is the transfers left the QB cupboard fairly bare. Who right off the top of their head remembers who hurt's backup is. No google-ing please.
 
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orangeluvr said:
Never suggested such a thing and who's arguing . :snakehead: Dudes got recruited over, knew they wouldn't play. Point is the transfers left the QB cupboard fairly bare. Who right off the top of their head remembers who hurt's backup is. No google-ing please.
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Tua...soon as he enrolls.
 
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MWAVolfan said:
You're right. And I think it's because people WANT to believe that JG is the next JT Barret waiting to happen and if it's true that Dirmandy is the better of the two then we truly are in trouble.
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not sure about the Barrett comparison.

but it could be that we have two good qb's on the roster.

if it's done the way we've been told it's being done, then what we should wind up with is a guy that won a pretty good, tight qb competition.

you got two guys that have been in the system for a bit now, so you're not throwing a true freshman out there, sight unseen basically.

if it's truly a tie, and there's no discernable difference between the two, then the coaches, and the qb's, have some decisions to make about what happens next.

but so far, in late april, i don't think it's much of anything to worry about. nor do i think that either guy has done anything of note to warrant one or the other being perceived as better than the other, save the veteran tag we've given Dormady.

but really, what significant pt has he gotten to warrant that? to a large degree, he's as much an unknown, performance wise, as JG. almost literally, the only thing he has over JG right now is 1 more year of standing on the sidelines and practicing.

it's not a union. seniority doesn't/shouldn't guarantee anything.
 
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orangeluvr said:
Never suggested such a thing and who's arguing . :snakehead: Dudes got recruited over, knew they wouldn't play. Point is the transfers left the QB cupboard fairly bare. Who right off the top of their head remembers who hurt's backup is. No google-ing please.
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You are something else, man. You need to re-read your post.
 
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Whatever happened to the Virtual Reality System that our video guy set up?

Are they still using it to evaluate/train our QBs?
 
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IndianapolisVol said:
While many think Dormady's rushing prowess has been underestimated, the majority of the fanbase and media seem to think JG's skill set is the better fit for our scheme. If they remain even though fall camp it's widely thought that Butch will go with the veteran, as he has in the past. Not here to relive Butch starting Worley over Dobbs, but does anyone think there is a realistic chance that the younger, more mobile guy gets the nod over the veteran with a more accurate arm? Dormady has only been in our system for 1 year more than Guarantano has, so it's not like this is a true freshman vs a senior (although QD does have some game experience in mop up duty).

Alabama did this last year playing Jalen Hurts over Barnett, Bateman and Cornwell; all three of which were considered better passers than Hurts. Despite this, Saban went with the raw talent and Hurts led them to an SEC Championship and within 4 points of a National Title, with Hurts earning National Freshman of the year as a result.

Two years ago UCLA went with freshman Josh Rosen over a 5th year senior who had played well towards the end of the prior year in Jerry Nueheusel. Rosen went on to win PAC 12 Freshman of the Year, 1st team Freshman All American and is projected as a top 3 prospect in the 2018 draft.

JT Barrett accounted for 45 touchdowns as a freshman despite an injury cutting his season short during a National Title run at OSU.

Johnny Manziel was a RS Freshman when he had one of the best seasons in college football history and won the Heisman trophy.

Even Deondre Francois and Jacob Eason got the nod as Freshman and played well for the most part.

My point is that although the consensus seems to be that Jones won't put his future in the hands of a Freshman QB, there has been enough evidence in the past 5 years to prove that Freshman QB's can be difference makers. If you're always going to play the guy who's been around the longest, what's the point of even bringing in an elite guy every season?

If Dormady wins the job outright then he should be the starter, and the same goes for Jarrett if he wins the job outright. But if they remain even why not give the guy who fits the scheme a little bit better a shot?
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You are assuming they're even now.
I think the fit thing has been grossly exaggerated. If you look at both of their HS stats, neither was a runner, with them averaging 11 and 12 rushing yards a game, respectively and dismal averages.

Garauntano is darker skinned therefore he is mobile. Dormady is slower since he's white.
 
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IndianapolisVol said:
While many think Dormady's rushing prowess has been underestimated, the majority of the fanbase and media seem to think JG's skill set is the better fit for our scheme. If they remain even though fall camp it's widely thought that Butch will go with the veteran, as he has in the past. Not here to relive Butch starting Worley over Dobbs, but does anyone think there is a realistic chance that the younger, more mobile guy gets the nod over the veteran with a more accurate arm? Dormady has only been in our system for 1 year more than Guarantano has, so it's not like this is a true freshman vs a senior (although QD does have some game experience in mop up duty).

Alabama did this last year playing Jalen Hurts over Barnett, Bateman and Cornwell; all three of which were considered better passers than Hurts. Despite this, Saban went with the raw talent and Hurts led them to an SEC Championship and within 4 points of a National Title, with Hurts earning National Freshman of the year as a result.

Two years ago UCLA went with freshman Josh Rosen over a 5th year senior who had played well towards the end of the prior year in Jerry Nueheusel. Rosen went on to win PAC 12 Freshman of the Year, 1st team Freshman All American and is projected as a top 3 prospect in the 2018 draft.

JT Barrett accounted for 45 touchdowns as a freshman despite an injury cutting his season short during a National Title run at OSU.

Johnny Manziel was a RS Freshman when he had one of the best seasons in college football history and won the Heisman trophy.

Even Deondre Francois and Jacob Eason got the nod as Freshman and played well for the most part.

My point is that although the consensus seems to be that Jones won't put his future in the hands of a Freshman QB, there has been enough evidence in the past 5 years to prove that Freshman QB's can be difference makers. If you're always going to play the guy who's been around the longest, what's the point of even bringing in an elite guy every season?

If Dormady wins the job outright then he should be the starter, and the same goes for Jarrett if he wins the job outright. But if they remain even why not give the guy who fits the scheme a little bit better a shot?
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All of those people you mentioned above had legit offensive coordinators and qb coaches.... We don't have that. While in theory, your scenario works, however coaching is a big part as to why those kids you mentioned came out and dominated. We are breaking in a first time OC while our coach is in a make or break year.... I don't have that much optimism that you have, but I pray I am wrong.
 
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IndianapolisVol said:
While many think Dormady's rushing prowess has been underestimated, the majority of the fanbase and media seem to think JG's skill set is the better fit for our scheme. If they remain even though fall camp it's widely thought that Butch will go with the veteran, as he has in the past. Not here to relive Butch starting Worley over Dobbs, but does anyone think there is a realistic chance that the younger, more mobile guy gets the nod over the veteran with a more accurate arm? Dormady has only been in our system for 1 year more than Guarantano has, so it's not like this is a true freshman vs a senior (although QD does have some game experience in mop up duty).

Alabama did this last year playing Jalen Hurts over Barnett, Bateman and Cornwell; all three of which were considered better passers than Hurts. Despite this, Saban went with the raw talent and Hurts led them to an SEC Championship and within 4 points of a National Title, with Hurts earning National Freshman of the year as a result.

Two years ago UCLA went with freshman Josh Rosen over a 5th year senior who had played well towards the end of the prior year in Jerry Nueheusel. Rosen went on to win PAC 12 Freshman of the Year, 1st team Freshman All American and is projected as a top 3 prospect in the 2018 draft.

JT Barrett accounted for 45 touchdowns as a freshman despite an injury cutting his season short during a National Title run at OSU.

Johnny Manziel was a RS Freshman when he had one of the best seasons in college football history and won the Heisman trophy.

Even Deondre Francois and Jacob Eason got the nod as Freshman and played well for the most part.

My point is that although the consensus seems to be that Jones won't put his future in the hands of a Freshman QB, there has been enough evidence in the past 5 years to prove that Freshman QB's can be difference makers. If you're always going to play the guy who's been around the longest, what's the point of even bringing in an elite guy every season?

If Dormady wins the job outright then he should be the starter, and the same goes for Jarrett if he wins the job outright. But if they remain even why not give the guy who fits the scheme a little bit better a shot?
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This was more Fulmer but we have a history of starting true FR at QB the last 20+ yrs..Peyton,Casey Clausen,Brent Schaeffer,Eric Ainge,Tyler Bray,James Banks started 1 game at QB,Justin Worley,Josh Dobbs,J Jonathan Crompton started 1 game as a RS Freshman,A J Suggs also started a few as a RS FR. I just went back as far as Peyton and I may have missed a couple but those were off the top and obviously not all stuck as starters as FR and beyond like Peyton and Casey but we have had quite a few True and RS FR QB's get starts.But those were mostly under Fulmer and not sure how Butch with handle it.
 
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Mick said:
It needs to be figured out before then. Looking forward to seeing them both compete in the spring game.
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At some point between now and the GT game, I expect it to work out one way or the other. And however it works out, I expect around 75% of the fans to be unhappy about it.
 
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As far as the QB that best fits the system used it would be JG. He could be the three year starter or QD for two because I believe the one that doesn't get picked transfers out.
 
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