If Dormady and Guarantano Remain Even By 9/4/17

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orangeluvr said:
Those QBs transferred out , saban was lucky hurts was able to stay healthy. CBJ has a history of going through fall camp and naming the starter . The one exception was collaros at cincy. Looks like the QB battle will dominate the conversation 'til it's settled following fall camp.
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They all 3 started fall camp with the tide and one of them transferred a week before the first game, one transferred between the SEC Championship game and the playoffs and the other played 2nd string all season and transferred after the season.

So, you're argument is quite a bit flawed... They all 3 transferred because they lost the competition to Hurts. Hurts didn't win the competition because they transferred as you suggest.

Thank you, come again. :thud:
 
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IndianapolisVol said:
They all 3 started fall camp with the tide and one of them transferred a week before the first game, one transferred between the SEC Championship game and the playoffs and the other played 2nd string all season and transferred after the season.

So, you're argument is quite a bit flawed... They all 3 transferred because they lost the competition to Hurts. Hurts didn't win the competition because they transferred as you suggest.

Thank you, come again. :thud:
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Would it be a shocker if JD or QD left right before fall season started if one knew they weren't going to be the starter? i don't think it would be that surprising.
 
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VolinMichigan said:
I think people are in love with JG because there's no evidence to contradict their optimism. He's not played a single snap of live game action. He, by all accounts, has an incredible amount of talent and seems to have a good head on his shoulders. But I don't think the coaching staff would throw a guy out there if all they had to go on was pure talent.

Dormady, on the other hand, has been on the field some and he's put up solid, but limited, numbers. That's not his fault. He's never had to play when the pressure is on. He seems like the safer bet right now just by being here longer.

My prediction is that Dormady gets the nod in the opener but he'll be on a short leash. We may even see JG in some situational stuff. I think if QD is playing average to well, I think the coaches stick with him and maybe stick JG in there for a series here or there to get him some experience. I just can't see Butch Jones putting a guy out there who has zero game experience to start the season.
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Thats a good summary but something tells me that JG looks better than QD in the weeks leading up to GT and starts from Game 1.
 
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sofflavol said:
How long is the cut off to sit out the entire year? (i honestly don't know) i would imagine a young "Stud" qb with something to prove would get his feathers ruffled if he felt not only he was the better qb but was strung along and made to sit out an entire season. You see it all the time where the player ABSOLUTELY leaves just out of spite at the end of the season if he feels he could transfer to a school and start fresh.
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If one transfers BEFORE the upcoming season, they will be eligible the following season. They have to sit out a calendar year. I think higher of Guarantano than many on here. He doesn't win the job at the beginning of the season and he'll compete to win it by the END of the season and I doubt he takes the childish approach of classifying it as "being strung along". If so, run don't walk! Those types drag a team down.
 
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sofflavol said:
Would it be a shocker if JD or QD left right before fall season started if one knew they weren't going to be the starter? i don't think it would be that surprising.
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I could see Dormady doing it. He has a redshirt year to burn.
 
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'Boro-vol said:
Peterman doesn't get to the NFL without QB coaching...Which he needed here, and got at PITT. Super happy for that kid....Big fan.
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pond or pool. he wasn't going to play here. i'm honestly happy for him, and Riley Ferguson.
 
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Johnnyreb#VFL said:
In the same category as seeing a difference in Butch this spring, I think he goes with the younger guy in this scenario. I think Butch is still learning on the job and has been doing a lot of critical thinking coming into year 5. He has to. He has to change some things to get over that hump. We are better, but hopefully he is racking his brain on how do we now reach that NEXT level of elites. Starting a qb like JG his freshman year instead of going with loyalty or seniority may be the best bet in this scenario for Butch and for UT.
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If JG is the best? Play him. If he needs more work and an upperclassman is better prepared? Play the better option. Mack Brown messed up two careers and two seasons playing groupie eyes to Chris Simms. Simms would have been a better player sitting and learning and Texas would have been more in line to play for a championship with Major Applewhite imo. Saban didn't coach scared with McCarron chomping at the bit and let McElroy win him that first Bama championship. Win win.
 
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butchna said:
If one transfers BEFORE the upcoming season, they will be eligible the following season. They have to sit out a calendar year. I think higher of Guarantano than many on here. He doesn't win the job at the beginning of the season and he'll compete to win it by the END of the season and I doubt he takes the childish approach of classifying it as "being strung along". If so, run don't walk! Those types drag a team down.
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I wouldn't hold it against him or call it childish if a player wants to transfer to play elsewhere. i hope he stays and competes!
 
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butchna said:
If JG is the best? Play him. If he needs more work and an upperclassman is better prepared? Play the better option. Mack Brown messed up two careers and two seasons playing groupie eyes to Chris Simms. Simms would have been a better player sitting and learning and Texas would have been more in line to play for a championship with Major Applewhite imo. Saban didn't coach scared with McCarron chomping at the bit and let McElroy win him that first Bama championship. Win win.
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nor did he last year when he went with Jalen over Blake.

you play to win the game. whoever is better, plays. agreed.:thumbsup:
 
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butchna said:
If JG is the best? Play him. If he needs more work and an upperclassman is better prepared? Play the better option. Mack Brown messed up two careers and two seasons playing groupie eyes to Chris Simms. Simms would have been a better player sitting and learning and Texas would have been more in line to play for a championship with Major Applewhite imo. Saban didn't coach scared with McCarron chomping at the bit and let McElroy win him that first Bama championship. Win win.
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The op presented a scenario where both qbs finished out dead even. That's what I was responding to.
 
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sofflavol said:
I wouldn't hold it against him or call it childish if a player wants to transfer to play elsewhere. i hope he stays and competes!
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You're not childish for transferring. You're childish if you base it on "being strung along". Of course I'm quoting you...not him. :)
 
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jakez4ut said:
nor did he last year when he went with Jalen over Blake.

you play to win the game. whoever is better, plays. agreed.:thumbsup:
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You stole my next example! :aggressive: Of those two, which one was more "highly ranked"?
 
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I can't wait for the talk to be that if Dormady starts that Butch is clearly a terrible developer of talent otherwise Guarantano would start.
 
#91
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butchna said:
You're not childish for transferring. You're childish if you base it on "being strung along". Of course I'm quoting you...not him. :)
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Ehhh...these coaches all butter up these players saying they are the future of the program, i guess your right in considering they should know better than fall for a pitch. But still we don't know whats going on in these film rooms / players meeting with coaches etc... if a player thinks they are being strung out just so a coach can hold on to 2 great qbs i still wouldn't consider it childish if you leave under those circumstances. either way i hope they both stay and improve each others game.
 
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'Boro-vol said:
Either one could have been a winner here. It's just proof how important a legit QB coach is.
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and an offensive line. that was the single biggest determining factor in why Dobbs got the nod.

to your overall point, i agree, had we had a f/t qb coach, teaching the position, instead of doing it by committee, who knows what could have happened.:thumbsup:

we'll see if this Canales character can deliver the goods.....:p
 
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MWAVolfan said:
I don't follow you. Peterman is getting drafted BECAUSE he transferred. How does that help our case?
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Sorry, didnt explain, point is JG DOESNT have to tranfer next year if he doesnt start. If he stays he may not play, but he could graduate and tranfer and play somewhere else and still get drafted. Thats the point! If we pull in a top 5 QB for 18 then SJ is the one that might transfer. As to others posts, We also NOW have a QB coach! I thi k in tbe end both QD AND JG will stay regardless who starts
 
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sofflavol said:
Ehhh...these coaches all butter up these players saying they are the future of the program, i guess your right in considering they should know better than fall for a pitch. But still we don't know whats going on in these film rooms / players meeting with coaches etc... if a player thinks they are being strung out just so a coach can hold on to 2 great qbs i still wouldn't consider it childish if you leave under those circumstances. either way i hope they both stay and improve each others game.
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I'd say good luck finding a chump coach who lays their cards down before spring practice. And of the candidates, I'd see the true junior and redshirt sophomore as more likely to feel "strung along" than the fella with four years of eligibility.
 
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butchna said:
And the scenario is impossible. Hence my response. :hi:
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Gotcha. Yeah I was going to add "which is highly unlikely" but you're right, play the best option. I was also trying to impress that Butch doesn't seem to be too stuck in his ways anymore.
 
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Johnnyreb#VFL said:
Gotcha. Yeah I was going to add "which is highly unlikely" but you're right, play the best option. I was also trying to impress that Butch doesn't seem to be too stuck in his ways anymore.
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No argument that Butch has always needed to be more open-minded.
 
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