To Protect and to Serve II

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#2,701
Rasputin_Vol said:
Were not passing the blame to others. We're passing the blame squarely on the shoulders of the one responsible for the fiasco in the first place: United Airlines.

No one is passing the blame on to the FAA, Obama, Jake and Elwood, or Ryne Sandberg.
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We disagree that one party is responsible. Was United douchebags for kicking someone off? Sure, it was mean. But United owns the plane. The contract when buying a ticket states they can boot you if they need to. This isn't similar to slavery where rights and liberties were refused. No one has a RIGHT to fly on an airplane. And united shouldn't be forced to let any and everyone fly on their plane. "Protesting" or, as I call it, throwing a tantrum, is also not acceptable. Again, if you are told to get off the plane, get off. It's not your plane. The doctor should be arrested for trespassing.

What do you propose should happen if a restaurant shuts down for a private party and a customer who isn't a part of said party refuses to leave in the same manner as this passenger?
 
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utvols88 said:
What do you propose should happen if a restaurant shuts down for a private party and a customer who isn't a part of said party refuses to leave in the same manner as this passenger?
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If the customer was allowed to enter and order his meal, then ethically has an obligation (but by no means legally bound) to allow that customer to finish their meal. Or, the restaurant can pull a United stunt, where they invite they guy in, set him down at a table, take his money and his order, and then ask him to leave and accept a gift card as compensation. They could "legally" pull that stunt and would be within their legal rights to call the cops if the customer demands to be served and doesn't leave. That doesn't mean, however that it was the right or just decision.

If on the other hand the restaurant stops him at the door and tells the customer that they are expecting a private party and that customer refuses, then you have to call that customer a trespasser.

I don't know why this is so hard for some of you to wrap your minds around.
 
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utvols88 said:
We disagree that one party is responsible. Was United douchebags for kicking someone off? Sure, it was mean. But United owns the plane. The contract when buying a ticket states they can boot you if they need to. This isn't similar to slavery where rights and liberties were refused. No one has a RIGHT to fly on an airplane. And united shouldn't be forced to let any and everyone fly on their plane. "Protesting" or, as I call it, throwing a tantrum, is also not acceptable. Again, if you are told to get off the plane, get off. It's not your plane. The doctor should be arrested for trespassing.

What do you propose should happen if a restaurant shuts down for a private party and a customer who isn't a part of said party refuses to leave in the same manner as this passenger?
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Just playing devils advocate here what if the other customer paid for a private party as well?
 
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InVOLuntary said:
Just playing devils advocate here what if the other customer paid for a private party as well?
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Said private party is for restaurant employees and at the time of taking the customer in, it wasn't planned that the main space would have to be used or any actual customer would be affected.

Point is, sometimes things happen. Does it suck? Yes. But complain, contact BBB, write reviews, never fly that airline again, demand your full cash refund for the ticket to the BBB. Refusing to leave is not only the immature thing to do but also potentially criminal.

Ras, United did their customers a disservice but this guy also embarrassed himself and acted like an ass to where United is within their right to remove him. When three officials have to called and he still doesn't budge, only one option is left. Even his wife got off the bloody plane. Two wrongs don't make a right. I don't see why it's so hard for some of you to understand this.

I hope United fights this and they should threaten to file trespass charges if the language of the law allows it.
 
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utvols88 said:
Said private party is for restaurant employees and at the time of taking the customer in, it wasn't planned that the main space would have to be used or any actual customer would be affected.

Point is, sometimes things happen. Does it suck? Yes. But complain, contact BBB, write reviews, never fly that airline again, demand your full cash refund for the ticket to the BBB. Refusing to leave is not only the immature thing to do but also potentially criminal.

Ras, United did their customers a disservice but this guy also embarrassed himself and acted like an ass to where United is within their right to remove him. When three officials have to called and he still doesn't budge, only one option is left. Even his wife got off the bloody plane. Two wrongs don't make a right. I don't see why it's so hard for some of you to understand this.

I hope United fights this and they should threaten to file trespass charges if the language of the law allows it.
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There's blame on both sides. The doctor acted like a petulant child when he was told by the United staff to exit the plane and yes, at that point forward, he was breaking the law.

I've spoken with a few ranking officers whom opinions and experience I trust, because initially I believed it to be a civil matter, having little basis of knowledge of FAA or Federal Maritime laws. However, the pilot is the enforcement arm of that plane and he and his staff have the right to throw anyone they choose off the plane, especially if said person is throwing a tantrum and refusing to comply with requests.

That said, the only thing I disagree with the doctor is how he chose to enact his displeasure. He was 100% right up until that point. When you go from disgruntled adult to a tantrum throwing toddler, that's where you lose me.

What I would have loved to have seen, though I'm​ positive they would have been reprimanded, suspended or worse for this, is to have seen a LEO with rank tell United to resolve their own problem, and that we're to getting into the middle of what appears to be a civil matter (even though it's not)...
 
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orangeblood79 said:
There's blame on both sides. The doctor acted like a petulant child when he was told by the United staff to exit the plane and yes, at that point forward, he was breaking the law.

I've spoken with a few ranking officers whom opinions and experience I trust, because initially I believed it to be a civil matter, having little basis of knowledge of FAA or Federal Maritime laws. However, the pilot is the enforcement arm of that plane and he and his staff have the right to throw anyone they choose off the plane, especially if said person is throwing a tantrum and refusing to comply with requests.

That said, the only thing I disagree with the doctor is how he chose to enact his displeasure. He was 100% right up until that point. When you go from disgruntled adult to a tantrum throwing toddler, that's where you lose me.

What I would have loved to have seen, though I'm​ positive they would have been reprimanded, suspended or worse for this, is to have seen a LEO with rank tell United to resolve their own problem, and that we're to getting into the middle of what appears to be a civil matter (even though it's not)...
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This is what I'm saying. United was wrong but so was the passenger. Am I right in saying that trespassing is the potential charge at the point he refused to leave?
 
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#2,707
orangeblood79 said:
There's blame on both sides. The doctor acted like a petulant child when he was told by the United staff to exit the plane and yes, at that point forward, he was breaking the law.

I've spoken with a few ranking officers whom opinions and experience I trust, because initially I believed it to be a civil matter, having little basis of knowledge of FAA or Federal Maritime laws. However, the pilot is the enforcement arm of that plane and he and his staff have the right to throw anyone they choose off the plane, especially if said person is throwing a tantrum and refusing to comply with requests.

That said, the only thing I disagree with the doctor is how he chose to enact his displeasure. He was 100% right up until that point. When you go from disgruntled adult to a tantrum throwing toddler, that's where you lose me.

What I would have loved to have seen, though I'm​ positive they would have been reprimanded, suspended or worse for this, is to have seen a LEO with rank tell United to resolve their own problem, and that we're to getting into the middle of what appears to be a civil matter (even though it's not)...
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Just because it was legal, that doesn't mean it was the right decision.
 
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#2,708
Dude, what in the ****

“Officer Rosen did not kick the suspect in the head,” Pappas told The Daily Beast. “I know on first glance the video probably looks that way. We’ve heard that numerous times. If you slow the video down, you can clearly see Officer Rosen’s boot on the defendant’s left shoulder. That is not a strike to the head, and I think that has been misreported and missed by many people.”
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J. Cole's brand new documentary, 4 Your Eyez Only, debuted on HBO for the first time last night. The documentary included footage that appears to prove his song "Neighbors," off of the album was inspired by real-life events. footage of the SWAT team raid appears, showcasing that the song's lyrics ("I guess the neighbors think I'm sellin' dope, sellin' dope") drew directly from true events. As the story goes, the emcee's home studio was raided due to one of the neighbors making the claim that the rapper was either growing marijuana or selling drugs out of the location.
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[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e-FxxblAQWo[/youtube]
 
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MercyPercy said:
That's a **** ton of manpower for an assumed weed dealer.
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I'm sure the neighbors mentioned they were dealing with "blacks".

There was a police chief in Washington DC who had one of the the best records on drugs, crime, and race of any major metropolitan PD chief at the beginning of the WoD and his tactic was to knock on the door, wait for them to flush all the drugs, answer the door, and then ask them if they had drugs.

Drugs are in the sewer. Nobody gets shot at. Win/win.
 
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n_huffhines said:
true. I'd rather he rot in solitary for 40 years
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And be kept up on our taxpayer dime along with the trial where lawyers get to play every trick they can?

Nah. I think a classic movie quote "best dollar eighty I ever spent" would come closest to applying. Glad he saved us a lot of money in the long run.
 
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Grand Vol said:
And be kept up on our taxpayer dime along with the trial where lawyers get to play every trick they can?

Nah. I think a classic movie quote "best dollar eighty I ever spent" would come closest to applying. Glad he saved us a lot of money in the long run.
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Good point, except I really feel like life in solitary would be a better deterrent than any punishment, so maybe it's worth it? Not sure...I just know that's the worst thing that could happen to me.
 
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#2,724
n_huffhines said:
Good point, except I really feel like life in solitary would be a better deterrent than any punishment, so maybe it's worth it? Not sure...I just know that's the worst thing that could happen to me.
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Only if someone was capable of showing remorse for their actions.

He didn't seem like the type capable of showing said remorse. So, eff him, he got what was coming to him.
 
#2,725
#2,725
Grand Vol said:
Only if someone was capable of showing remorse for their actions.

He didn't seem like the type capable of showing said remorse. So, eff him, he got what was coming to him.
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Why does remorse matter? Are you saying life is a punishment because he would regret his crime? I'm saying it's a punishment because it will drive him insane.
 
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