Josh Dobbs - NFL Draft thread (merged)

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#751
From the Gruden camp thingy, I think it was interesting that he noted Dobbs is the QB in the draft with the most upside and Peterman is the most pro ready. We had both of those guys at one point kinda shocking. I went back and watched the Pitt Vs. Clemson game and was like wow.
 
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
Josh somehow made it work here with Butch Jones essentially trying to sabotage his talents. Josh will be fine in the NFL regardless of where he goes.

He's the type of player that makes a system. He isn't the type that needs a system to succeed.
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you mean the scheme that featured him as roughly 60% of the offense running/throwing? that sabotage? he won't be asked to be THE offense in the NFL. and if he is, that's going to kill his career.

if anything, Butch and Deboard did him a favor, regardless of what you think about about them and their offensive prowess as coaches.
 
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pimo1 said:
From the Gruden camp thingy, I think it was interesting that he noted Dobbs is the QB in the draft with the most upside and Peterman is the most pro ready. We had both of those guys at one point kinda shocking. I went back and watched the Pitt Vs. Clemson game and was like wow.
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We have 2 more QBs with high NFL ceilings as well right now in Dormady and Guarantano.

Butch Jones knows how to find talent. His problem is he doesn't know how to utilize it.

Lets hope he's learned from his past experiences and finally coaches a team to it's full potential in 2017.
 
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jakez4ut said:
you mean the scheme that featured him as roughly 60% of the offense running/throwing? that sabotage? he won't be asked to be THE offense in the NFL. and if he is, that's going to kill his career.

if anything, Butch and Deboard did him a favor, regardless of what you think about about them and their offensive prowess as coaches.
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No they didn't. Their gameplans to start games were downright awful because they rarely featured Josh and mostly tried to hide him. Then the game would get out of hand as we fall behind multiple scores. Then Butch and DeBord would scrap the original gameplan and let Dobbs be Dobbs. Then we come roaring back and dominate the rest of the game.

Almost everyone of Dobbs greatest games came with us trying to come back from some large deficit. I don't give Butch Jones or Mike DeBord any credit for those performances. Those were all Josh Dobbs.
 
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
No they didn't. Their gameplans to start games were downright awful because they rarely featured Josh and mostly tried to hide him. Then the game would get out of hand as we fall behind multiple scores. Then Butch and DeBord would scrap the original gameplan and let Dobbs be Dobbs. Then we come roaring back and dominate the rest of the game.

Almost everyone of Dobbs greatest games came with us trying to come back from some large deficit. I don't give Butch Jones or Mike DeBord any credit for those performances. Those were all Josh Dobbs.
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The players came out and played like garbage to start the TXAM and Florida games, the plays were there and the offense was plenty aggressive. The year before people said the opposite.
 
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#757
Given the talent level of this QB class, #5 really isn't all that impressive. I think you can draft him late and look at him as a project. Flame away, but I just don't think he can consistently be a passing threat down the field.
 
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PACKERVOL said:
Let's also give a shout out to Nate Peterman at no. 6. He had a hard time at UT, but I'm glad he got another shot getting himself a chance to make it to the NFL.
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Had no coaching here and Riley had a real good season at Memphis that shows you how bad the coaching the QB's was maybe we solved that problem i didn't think Nate could play at a OVC school when he left.
 
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
No they didn't. Their gameplans to start games were downright awful because they rarely featured Josh and mostly tried to hide him. Then the game would get out of hand as we fall behind multiple scores. Then Butch and DeBord would scrap the original gameplan and let Dobbs be Dobbs. Then we come roaring back and dominate the rest of the game.

Almost everyone of Dobbs greatest games came with us trying to come back from some large deficit. I don't give Butch Jones or Mike DeBord any credit for those performances. Those were all Josh Dobbs.
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you have no idea what you're talking about. go back and watch. drive after drive killed because of penalties, drops, and yes, the occaisonal bad throw.

you know why people think the game plans sucked? cause no one ever got to see one come to fruition. and i'm not painting these guys out to be football masterminds or anything.
 
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#1ManningFan said:
Am I the only one that does not see the Trubisky hype? Id take Dobbs over him any day of the week.
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Count me as someone who doesn't believe in Trubisky. If you want me to believe in a guy based on only one season of work, then it needs to be a much better season than the one he had.

The only QB I'd draft in the first round is Watson, and even then I don't know that I'd draft him in the top half of the first round unless my team is just desperate for a QB.
 
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pimo1 said:
From the Gruden camp thingy, I think it was interesting that he noted Dobbs is the QB in the draft with the most upside and Peterman is the most pro ready. We had both of those guys at one point kinda shocking. I went back and watched the Pitt Vs. Clemson game and was like wow.
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I read an article awhile ago (maybe Chicago based?) that Peterman was pro ready too.

They also stated that NFL teams take a closer look at players that had good QB coaches around them. I think that's the main knock on Dobbs. He "barely" had a QB coach or quality QB guru around him during college.

I'm sure CBJ learned of this.. and then all of a sudden we actually have a true QB coach.
 
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jakez4ut said:
you have no idea what you're talking about. go back and watch. drive after drive killed because of penalties, drops, and yes, the occaisonal bad throw.

you know why people think the game plans sucked? cause no one ever got to see one come to fruition. and i'm not painting these guys out to be football masterminds or anything.
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You could have just stopped there. js
 
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05_never_again said:
Given the talent level of this QB class, #5 really isn't all that impressive. I think you can draft him late and look at him as a project. Flame away, but I just don't think he can consistently be a passing threat down the field.
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I agree with most of this, but still higher than I expected for him. Based on the grades of the QBs around him (big dropoff after Peterman, but pretty close around the first 6) it seems like McShay has him as around a 3rd-round pick.
 
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NashVol11 said:
I agree with most of this, but still higher than I expected for him. Based on the grades of the QBs around him (big dropoff after Peterman, but pretty close around the first 6) it seems like McShay has him as around a 3rd-round pick.
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different evaluators have them in different spots. he hasn't ever made Mayock's top 5. not sure about Kiper.

it's a mixed bag, which all that really says is no one really knows, and no one has seen any of these guys step out way in front of the other.
 
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jakez4ut said:
different evaluators have them in different spots. he hasn't ever made Mayock's top 5. not sure about Kiper.

it's a mixed bag, which all that really says is that McShay is the smartest analyst.
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fyp

(And I'm joking, but homerism is fun)
 
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#1ManningFan said:
Am I the only one that does not see the Trubisky hype?
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Not at all - this phenomenon of getting overly enamored with the best (is he even the best?) QB in a weak QB draft class happens every time there is a weak QB class. Happened last year with Goff and Wentz.

Trubisky would be totally overlooked if this was a "normal" QB class with a little bit of depth.
 
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