Orangeslice13, a blessing to those around him…..Again

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MaxamusXIII said:
There is no Good Friday.
There is no resurrection Sunday.

But hey, don't let scripture get in the way of your corrupted pagan worship service
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I can't read that clearly (my phone I guess), is that (and you) saying the death and resurrection didn't take place, or that it wasn't Friday and rose on Sunday?
 
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LouderVol said:
and likewise the only reason I give slice crap is because I know him and have nothing but respect for him.

this is just one of those areas where you and I disagree on faith. Yours is centered around the jewish rules/tenants (jmo of course), mine is centered on the personal relationship with God/Jesus/Holy Spirit, that I believe is called for.

why give free will if we are supposed to be so hide bound to all the freaking laws in Leviticus. Outside of the 10 commandments Leviticus is all culturally formed where very few ties to faith: Kill this many doves on this day after you have done this.

and much of the basis for pork being outlawed(whatever) is because they were/are filthy animals, in a time where germs weren't understood and food wasn't cooked thoroughly. So yes I believe God does take it serious in that it can make us sick and possibly kill us. But I don't see how eating pork gets in the way of our relationship with God.

And I inherently believe God has a sense of humor. Now whether or not that particular joke crossed a line, idk. but that is between him and me. and I think like with us, God and myself have a good enough relation where there is no harm to such jokes.
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Now that everyone knows we're not fighting.......



It's my belief that scripture teaches....the law/Torah saves no body....and never has.
Salvation has always been by faith. Salvation has always been threw repentance. Torah is simply a rule book that defines what sin is. It's those who love G-d that keep his laws and commandments. It's the psalms 119 approach.
All scripture is consistent on this topic.
As an example I can explain my faith
- using only the Torah
-using only the Torah and Gospels
-using Torah, the Gospels and NT letters.

If you disagree it's cool.
That'll be between you and G-d
 
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joevol33 said:
I can't read that clearly (my phone I guess), is that (and you) saying the death and resurrection didn't take place, or that it wasn't Friday and rose on Sunday?
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Died Wednesday evening before high Sabbath
Rose Saturday evening at the conclusion of weekly Sabbath.

Dead 72 hours
3 full days.
 
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joevol33 said:
I can't read that clearly (my phone I guess), is that (and you) saying the death and resurrection didn't take place, or that it wasn't Friday and rose on Sunday?
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slice gets tied up in exact dates, as if they matter to God.

-No no no you heathens Easter is April 15th not the 16th, straight to hell with you.

he does this despite a very fuzzy history of just which days jews celebrate various of their holidays.
 
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MaxamusXIII said:
Died Wednesday evening before high Sabbath
Rose Saturday evening at the conclusion of weekly Sabbath.

Dead 72 hours
3 full days.
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Okay thanks, I thought that's what it was, but some of it was fuzzy when I blew it up on my phone.
 
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LouderVol said:
slice gets tied up in exact dates, as if they matter to God.

-No no no you heathens Easter is April 15th not the 16th, straight to hell with you.

he does this despite a very fuzzy history of just which days jews celebrate various of their holidays.
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He has a knack for numbers.
 
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LouderVol said:
slice gets tied up in exact dates, as if they matter to God.

-No no no you heathens Easter is April 15th not the 16th, straight to hell with you.

he does this despite a very fuzzy history of just which days jews celebrate various of their holidays.
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Actually Slice gets hung up on the rejection of feasts the scripture asks us to keep like Passover and instead keeping holy days that are not listed or asked for in scripture.

We know G-d was ok with the golden calf being included into the faith at Sini (oh wait) so I'm sure easter is cool too. (Oh wait)
 

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MaxamusXIII said:
Now that everyone knows we're not fighting.......



It's my belief that scripture teaches....the law/Torah saves no body....and never has.
Salvation has always been by faith. Salvation has always been threw repentance. Torah is simply a rule book that defines what sin is. It's those who love G-d that keep his laws and commandments. It's the psalms 119 approach.
All scripture is consistent on this topic.
As an example I can explain my faith
- using only the Torah
-using only the Torah and Gospels
-using Torah, the Gospels and NT letters.

If you disagree it's cool.
That'll be between you and G-d
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i disagree with your approach but not with your conclusion. because ultimately I believe we are aimed at the same place. us catholics tend to work with "and" more than "or"
 
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I didn't think you guys were "fighting". I know you're friends. I did think it could get interesting. It has.
 
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LouderVol said:
i disagree with your approach but not with your conclusion. because ultimately I believe we are aimed at the same place. us catholics tend to work with "and" more than "or"
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To many people have this conversation as a salvation issue and I don't think it is.


Salvation is by repentance.
Jeramiah 31 speaks of a new/renewed covenant.
Yeshua claims that prophecy in Mathew 26.

But it's not a complete prophecy at the point of repentance and belief in Messiah. It's more of a process. The "teachings no longer needed people will just know what G-d wants" won't be complete till we get there.

If you have a misunderstanding of what G-d wants I don't think that makes you cursed....just lacking some understanding. G-d will clear that up later
 
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MaxamusXIII said:
Actually Slice gets hung up on the rejection of feasts the scripture asks us to keep like Passover and instead keeping holy days that are not listed or asked for in scripture.

We know G-d was ok with the golden calf being included into the faith at Sini (oh wait) so I'm sure easter is cool too. (Oh wait)
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so we are off by a day (as if it is just that much) and you think that real christians "believe" in the easter bunny and eggs. another straw man easy for you to strike down. you are falling for the same trap that those you don't like do.

every religion reflects the various seasons.slice focuses on christian allegories while ignoring jewish ones. also he tends to operate that Judaism developed in a bubble and had no outside influences.....

slice and anyone interested might want to look at all the changes that happened to dates as the jewish lunar calendar collided with the more accepted 7 day week pagan ones. 6 day lunar weeks should mean slices sabbath is saturday this week, friday next week, thursday the one after....but to give some credit it does go partially to explaining why their various holidays are celebrated on non-sabbaths.
 
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LouderVol said:
so we are off by a day (as if it is just that much) and you think that real christians "believe" in the easter bunny and eggs. another straw man easy for you to strike down. you are falling for the same trap that those you don't like do.

every religion reflects the various seasons.slice focuses on christian allegories while ignoring jewish ones. also he tends to operate that Judaism developed in a bubble and had no outside influences.....

slice and anyone interested might want to look at all the changes that happened to dates as the jewish lunar calendar collided with the more accepted 7 day week pagan ones. 6 day lunar weeks should mean slices sabbath is saturday this week, friday next week, thursday the one after....but to give some credit it does go partially to explaining why their various holidays are celebrated on non-sabbaths.
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I guess I missed where G-d established a 6 day week. Can't have Sabbath without 7 days
It's not off by a day either. It's off by its establishment.

Quick question
How is Easter established each year?
How is Passover established?
 
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MaxamusXIII said:
I guess I missed where G-d established a 6 day week. Can't have Sabbath without 7 days
It's not off by a day either. It's off by its establishment.

Quick question
How is Easter established each year?
How is Passover established?
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no clue as to how either got formalized, easter is always a certain sunday, i forget if its the 16th(?) sunday of the year or the 3 sunday of april. like I said the dates don't matter when considering the subject.

In the fourth century, Hillel II established a fixed calendar based on mathematical and astronomical calculations.
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so what were they doing before that it had to be standardized?

maybe it had to do with the Babyolian lunar 6 day week, the Assyrian 7 day solar week or the egyptian system of throwing **** on the wall to see what stayed. and guess what the jews combined all three.

^hold up, not certain about those names of empires as to which was which. I was thinking the selucids were in there too but it doesn't fit.
 
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LouderVol said:
no clue as to how either got formalized, easter is always a certain sunday, i forget if its the 16th(?) sunday of the year or the 3 sunday of april. like I said the dates don't matter when considering the subject.

so what were they doing before that it had to be standardized?

maybe it had to do with the Babyolian lunar 6 day week, the Assyrian 7 day solar week or the egyptian system of throwing **** on the wall to see what stayed. and guess what the jews combined all three.

^hold up, not certain about those names of empires as to which was which. I was thinking the selucids were in there too but it doesn't fit.
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Holy crap loudy.
Genius opens with G-d establishing a seven day week.
 
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Easter

325CE the Council of Nicaea established that Easter would be held on the first Sunday after the first full moon occurring on or after the vernal equinox.(*) From that point forward, the Easter date depended on the ecclesiastical approximation of March 21 for the vernal equinox

Pagan equinox of Ishtar.

Passover
or Pesach in Hebrew, the holiday begins on the 15th day of Nisan, which is the seventh month in the Jewish calendar.

Callender date established by Torah.
 
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Is this not enticing?
 
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