Josh Dobbs - NFL Draft thread (merged)

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KBVol said:
Far, far, far better, in every measure you care to look at. Tee wasn't a much better anything than Dobbs. Josh was exponentially better as a college qb than Martin, not even close.

Feel to back up your assertion with anything tangible.
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Tee led the Vols to a national championship. How's that for tangible???:eek:lol:

I realize you're likely a less than informed young adult and maybe not an adult. If you want to sound credible you can't make an absurdly, ignorant claim like "Josh was exponentially better as a college qb than Martin, not even close" It's almost insane to say such. Martin completed 23 straight passes as a junior at USC towards the end of an undefeated season. He also threw two of the best long passes in history under pressure during the National Championship game. He was a gamer, who when under pressure, would take off an run. Not as well as Dobbs, but did it under pressure in big games to give us an advantage.

Good luck posting here. Maybe you should think before you hit send
 
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114VOL said:
Tee led the Vols to a national championship. How's that for tangible???:eek:lol:

I realize you're likely a less than informed young adult and maybe not an adult. If you want to sound credible you can't make an absurdly, ignorant claim like "Josh was exponentially better as a college qb than Martin, not even close" It's almost insane to say such. Martin completed 23 straight passes as a junior at USC towards the end of an undefeated season. He also threw two of the best long passes in history under pressure during the National Championship game. He was a gamer, who when under pressure, would take off an run. Not as well as Dobbs, but did it under pressure in big games to give us an advantage.

Good luck posting here. Maybe you should think before you hit send
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1) your age insults are moronic.
2) you will find this sentiment about KB won't go very far as he tends to be pretty dead on with his posts. I don't always agree with him but from a factual standpoint, I don't argue with him.
3) so in your opinion Fulmer should still be our coach because he won a NC?
 
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114VOL said:
Tee led the Vols to a national championship. How's that for tangible???:eek:lol:

I realize you're likely a less than informed young adult and maybe not an adult. If you want to sound credible you can't make an absurdly, ignorant claim like "Josh was exponentially better as a college qb than Martin, not even close" It's almost insane to say such. Martin completed 23 straight passes as a junior at USC towards the end of an undefeated season. He also threw two of the best long passes in history under pressure during the National Championship game. He was a gamer, who when under pressure, would take off an run. Not as well as Dobbs, but did it under pressure in big games to give us an advantage.

Good luck posting here. Maybe you should think before you hit send
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Follow your own advice. 23 straight passes completed in a game does not a CAREER make. Mark Brunell holds that record in the NFL. The Washington Redskins BACKUP version to boot. Brunell better than HOF signalcallers based on that parlor trick? It's a shame that we have to resort to reducing Tee to get this point across. He represented Tennessee well and has everything to be proud of but let's not reinvent facts. He had a far better NC winning team surrounding him and his STATS still didn't measure up to Dobbs..."not even close".
 
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114VOL said:
Tee led the Vols to a national championship. How's that for tangible???:eek:lol:

I realize you're likely a less than informed young adult and maybe not an adult. If you want to sound credible you can't make an absurdly, ignorant claim like "Josh was exponentially better as a college qb than Martin, not even close" It's almost insane to say such. Martin completed 23 straight passes as a junior at USC towards the end of an undefeated season. He also threw two of the best long passes in history under pressure during the National Championship game. He was a gamer, who when under pressure, would take off an run. Not as well as Dobbs, but did it under pressure in big games to give us an advantage.

Good luck posting here. Maybe you should think before you hit send
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Tee played on MUCH more talented TEAMS than Dobbs, and teams win championships. No knock on Tee, and it is debatable as to who was better, but your reliance on a few games and two passes ignores a lot.

Tee losing 3 games with that 1999 team was a much worse result than Dobbs losing 4 with last year's team. That 99 team was ridiculously talented.

I would say they were about equal as players, and would take either one of them again in a heartbeat. Both are all-time Tennessee greats.
 
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BearCat204 said:
That's like saying Trent Dilfer led the Ravens to a SuperBowl title................
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If you were comparing Tee to Aaron Rodgers. Not in this case. Dobbs wasn't better than Martin by a country mile. That's an absurd statement. Was Dobbs better? Maybe, but not at the lengths you youngsters are suggesting
 
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114VOL said:
If you were comparing Tee to Aaron Rodgers. Not in this case. Dobbs wasn't better than Martin by a country mile. That's an absurd statement. Was Dobbs better? Maybe, but not at the lengths you youngsters are suggesting
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Thank you for calling me a youngster, I sure do appreciate it. Numbers don't lie and then consider what Dobbs had around him compared to what Tee had......especially on the offensive line. Also, you like to bring up the accuracy thing with Tee.......he never had as good of a completion percentage that Dobbs had when you look at their entire time in Knoxville. Then go ahead and look at the rushing stats with each.
 
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114VOL said:
If you were comparing Tee to Aaron Rodgers. Not in this case. Dobbs wasn't better than Martin by a country mile. That's an absurd statement. Was Dobbs better? Maybe, but not at the lengths you youngsters are suggesting
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Dobbs was better in almost every measurable way.

the only thing that Tee truly had over Dobbs was the other 21 guys playing with him.

they compare favorably in Td/int ratio, yards per attempt, and overall passer rating.

it's starts to separate when you look at a couple other #'s...knowing Tee didn't plaly as a fr or so sitting behind Peyton, the overall #'s are skewed toward Josh, simply because of playing time.

but even if you discount that to Tee's favor, there's a few things that really stick out.

so forget Dobbs first two years, and just compare jr/sr to jr/sr...

Passing:
430 comp/701 att, 61.3% for Josh
318 comp/572 att, 55.6% for Tee
5237 yards for Josh
4481 yards for Tee
42 Td's for Josh
31 for Tee
17 int for Josh
15 for Tee

keep in mind that includes the 23/24 game against USCe, and he still winds up just over 55%.

rushing:
296 att/1502 yards, 5.1 YPC for Josh
184 att/604 yards, 3.4 YPC for Tee
23 TD's for Josh, 16 TD's for Tee

not only was Dobbs better, he was asked to do a whole lot more, with less around him.

so, if you want tangible, there you go scooter.:thumbsup:
 
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114VOL said:
If you were comparing Tee to Aaron Rodgers. Not in this case. Dobbs wasn't better than Martin by a country mile. That's an absurd statement. Was Dobbs better? Maybe, but not at the lengths you youngsters are suggesting
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Let me, let you in on a secret... the amount of posts you have posted on this site gets you credentials. You have what like 400 something... KB has a whole lot more than you.... so I have learned from experience notntonattack the people on here that have that 10,000 ish range or higher post's mark... simply because they are liked and should be shown some respect....

However, I have no idea what you guys are arguing about and don't side with either but just trying to give you the heads up... take your licks and move on... good, bad, or indifferent.... 😎
 
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Caleb59seal said:
Let me, let you in on a secret... the amount of posts you have posted on this site gets you credentials. You have what like 400 something... KB has a whole lot more than you.... so I have learned from experience notntonattack the people on here that have that 10,000 ish range or higher post's mark... simply because they are liked and should be shown some respect....

However, I have no idea what you guys are arguing about and don't side with either but just trying to give you the heads up... take your licks and move on... good, bad, or indifferent.... 😎
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Of course this excludes people like D4H and Tony although... tony isn't so bad...
 
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take out the USCe game, and his completion % drops below 54%.

so, what was the anomaly, the 54% he did every where else for his career, or the 90% for one game?

dunno why this got me the way it did.

but this was too easy.
 
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114VOL said:
Just stating my opinion. Some of these posts sound like they are coming from a 10 year old who doesn't know better. His post on this matter is far from dead on
and sounds like someone that doesn't know better.
No, Fulmer shouldn't still be our coach. He should have been gone long before 2008. What does that have to do with my opinion on Tee?
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The only fact that you stated during your diatribe was that he was our NC QB and therefore better than Dobbs. Fulmer was our NC coach...that is a fact. Does that mean he should still be here? You talk about bringing an opinion to a fact fight, you will lose that one.
 
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Caleb59seal said:
Let me, let you in on a secret... the amount of posts you have posted on this site gets you credentials. You have what like 400 something... KB has a whole lot more than you.... so I have learned from experience notntonattack the people on here that have that 10,000 ish range or higher post's mark... simply because they are liked and should be shown some respect....

However, I have no idea what you guys are arguing about and don't side with either but just trying to give you the heads up... take your licks and move on... good, bad, or indifferent.... 😎
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Caleb, that isn't necessarily a good barometer, but with this guy, I think it works.
 
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Caleb59seal said:
Let me, let you in on a secret... the amount of posts you have posted on this site gets you credentials. You have what like 400 something... KB has a whole lot more than you.... so I have learned from experience notntonattack the people on here that have that 10,000 ish range or higher post's mark... simply because they are liked and should be shown some respect....

However, I have no idea what you guys are arguing about and don't side with either but just trying to give you the heads up... take your licks and move on... good, bad, or indifferent.... 😎
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You can breakdown a stretch play but can't figure out they're arguing over who's better between Tee Martin and Josh Dobbs? :huh:
 
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butchna said:
You can breakdown a stretch play but can't figure out they're arguing over who's better between Tee Martin and Josh Dobbs? :huh:
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That's not what happened... I just didn't feel like scrolling through their "who's prettier fight"... I mean we all know that the clear winner is...
 
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Darth_Shiveman said:
Ok so not all of the guys I'm about to list became superstars, but most NFL QBs don't anyway. There's a long history of guys who have sat a season or two before taking over or have bounced around a bit before becoming a starter.

You can say NFL QBs don't develop, but there's a lot of data saying otherwise. I do agree with the idea that some guys have it in them to become a starter and some just don't, but there are plenty of guys who weren't ready as rookies or were served well to sit and adjust for a 1,2, or 3 seasons. Also guys who started off rough before eventually becoming decent/average starters (like Alex Smith, who was a disaster early on in his career).

Here's a list i threw together in about 15 minutes:




Guys who sat before being ready to be NFL starters:

Aaron's Rodgers (needed those years sitting to work on mechanics)
Matt Hasselbeck
Tyrod Taylor
Tom Brady (though it wasn't just one season)
Phillip Rivers (behind Brees two easons)
Tony Romo
Steve McNair
Steve Young
Colin Kaepernick (though he only has had middling success...he wasn't ready as a rookie and eventually became a starter in a super bowl)
Trent Dilfer
Elvis Grback
Rich Gannon (super bowl MVP)
Carson Palmer

QBs who bounced around or took multiple seasons to become NFL starter quality (not a backup who happened to start games):

Kirk Cousins
Alex Smith
Kurt Warner (he was a practice squad guy who played in Europe before becoming an NFL starter)
Ryan Fitzpatrick (though he's more of a journeyman than a starter)
David Garrard (middling career, but got better after a few seasons)
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Alot of it has to do with the team at that moment as well. Prescott at Dallas and Big Ben at Pittsburg.
 
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114VOL said:
You might need to work on your reading comprehension. I said Martin completed 23 straight passes in Columbia during his junior season towards the end of an undefeated season. 100% fact. Also I stated Fulmer should have been gone long before 2008.

Of course, it's my opinion that Dobbs isn't exponentially better than Martin as someone ignorantly claimed. An opinion shared by those that have actually played and coached the game. Not some little boy opinion
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:hi: i'll be like the guy in the front row heckling you.

you're opinion is wrong.....which is really hard to do if you think about it.
 
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