Recruiting Forum Football Talk XXXIII

[Rishvol]

Dan Mullen

IF we needed a coach soon I wouldn't mind him

 

[LaagerVol]

That Florida team we dismantled last September was a rain out short of nine regular season wins.

I just can't wrap my head around 8-4 being considered best case. I expect 8-4. If he turns in 7 wins or less I want him fired. We can hire someone tomorrow that can win 7 or 8 a year.

Hey man, just because they said it on the radio doesn't mean it's guaranteed to happen. How do they know. Let the season play out. Sheesh.

 

[YorkVol]

For the last few years I've gotten blasted on here as a nega because I picked us to lose more games than most posters expected (I was right every time btw). This year it seems like the tables have turned. I see Bama as the only likely loss. UF, LSU, and UGA all seem like games that could go either way to me. I think 9-3 or 10-2 are the most likely outcomes.

Nah, Bama is going down.

 

[BigZiti09]

Hey man, just because they said it on the radio doesn't mean it's guaranteed to happen. How do they know. Let the season play out. Sheesh.

Well it's the offseason.

I just can't wrap my mind around 8 being the ceiling. This is year 5. I ain't trying to hear that. It may be a likely record or some may say it's a good season but it's not the ceiling. This ain't Kentucky.

 

[LaagerVol]

Like I said from an objective point of view 8-4 is most likely the best case scenario specifically for this season just because we have to replace so much talent. Now if all the question marks on this team pan out then watch out because this team has a lot of talent. Just not much proven talent

Do you guys understand what "best case scenario" means? It means if EVERYTHING goes right, which includes the QB being lights out, OL being studs, Kelly going off, WR breaking out, Kongbo, Phillips and rest of DL staying healthy, Warren getting the secondary in order........ that's best case scenario and that is better than 8-4.

 

[LaagerVol]

Just for the record, there was only 1 giving a best-case scenario. He just gave it a few times.

Regardless, any year, best case scenario is undefeated, with National Championship.

This^^^^^

 

[Darth_Shiveman]

Do you guys understand what "best case scenario" means? It means if EVERYTHING goes right, which includes the QB being lights out, OL being studs, Kelly going off, WR breaking out, Kongbo, Phillips and rest of DL staying healthy, Warren getting the secondary in order........ that's best case scenario and that is better than 8-4.

I agree. It the 2017 team stats healthy, the passing game clicks right out of the gate, and the defense returns to 2015 form, then this team could win 10 games.


That's probably asking for too much, but again, we're talking best case scenarios.

 

[LaagerVol]

SMH

Recruit talent and you eventually lose talent. A couple of the guys people keep listing hardly even played last year.

Agreed.

 

[LaagerVol]

Maybe let the season happen before we regret what we should have done if we had known what we were talking about before we declared something as truth? :blink:

But that makes too much sense. We need something to be up in arms about NOW

 

[LaagerVol]

Can't get out of his own way.....

I just don't see where gameday has been that bad for him. I think some of the game plans and play calling was bad at times, but I didn't see a lot of blunders

 

[LaagerVol]

Well it's the offseason.

I just can't wrap my mind around 8 being the ceiling. This is year 5. I ain't trying to hear that. It may be a likely record or some may say it's a good season but it's not the ceiling. This ain't Kentucky.

I agree. 8-4 is NOT the ceiling this year, I don't care what some radio talking head says. They don't understand what best case means evidently

 

[BigZiti09]

I agree. 8-4 is NOT the ceiling this year, I don't care what some radio talking head says. They don't understand what best case means evidently

One of those was VFL Will Overstreert. I don't understand where he's coming from.

The other was John Pennington. He ALWAYS predicts mediocrity and then tells you that you should be happy with it. Usually finds a way to tell fans they are stupid, wrong and too demanding.

 

[Darth_Shiveman]

I just don't see where gameday has been that bad for him. I think some of the game plans and play calling was bad at times, but I didn't see a lot of blunders

2015 had some rough ones.

The timeout vs UF on 4th and short that gave them time to figure out a play instead of kicking a FG.

Not going for 2 after a score put us up 12 points.

That might be it but it feels like I'm forgetting more.

 

[LaagerVol]

One of those was VFL Will Overstreert. I don't understand where he's coming from.

The other was John Pennington. He ALWAYS predicts mediocrity and then tells you that you should be happy with it. Usually finds a way to tell fans they are stupid, wrong and too demanding.

I always liked Overstreet but he is dead to me now

 

[drvenner]

Anyone hear overstreet and weird beard Pennington on 990 talking best and worse case for Tennessee this fall?

I'm sorry but if 8-4 is the absolute best case then we should have fired Butch last December.

Pennington is lame. He has his cronies on his Sunday morning show, but since one of them is Bob Hodge, that should tell you all that you need to know. He is yellow journalism at its very worst.

 

[LaagerVol]

2015 had some rough ones.

The timeout vs UF on 4th and short that gave them time to figure out a play instead of kicking a FG.

Not going for 2 after a score put us up 12 points.

That might be it but it feels like I'm forgetting more.

That time out was pretty bad. I remember thinking "you've got to be kidding me".

 

[BigZiti09]

I just don't see where gameday has been that bad for him. I think some of the game plans and play calling was bad at times, but I didn't see a lot of blunders

I think it's an excellent game planner. The last two years the only game that has gotten away from us was Bama this year.

He's made some questionable calls but he's also caught some terrible breaks.

He's not as bad on Saturdays as some want to believe.

One thing he really lost this past season was the overall team discipline and toughness that they showed in the first three seasons.

 

[MrVolton]

8-4 is the expectation.
7-5 = hot seat in 2018
9+ wins = Butch Jones is the guy, give him an extension.
6 wins or less = call, in order, Petersen, MacIntyre, Mullen, Whitingham, Schiano, and then, if he has a good year at Maryland, Durkin.

 

[LaagerVol]

I think it's an excellent game planner. The last two years the only game that has gotten away from us was Bama this year.

He's made some questionable calls but he's also caught some terrible breaks.

He's not as bad on Saturdays as some want to believe.

One thing he really lost this past season was the overall team discipline and toughness that they showed in the first three seasons.

When I say game planning issues I mean how obvious it was during certain games that the game plan was to not run Dobbs.

 

[drvenner]

For the last few years I've gotten blasted on here as a nega because I picked us to lose more games than most posters expected (I was right every time btw). This year it seems like the tables have turned. I see Bama as the only likely loss. UF, LSU, and UGA all seem like games that could go either way to me. I think 9-3 or 10-2 are the most likely outcomes.

If you are correct again, I will forgive you for straining your arm muscles while patting yourself on the back

 

[drvenner]

think people are realizing that Jones is a liability on gameday.

think people are realizing that you don't like Coach Jones because about 9800 of your posts have said something like the one above.

 

[Ulysees E. McGill]

I'd understand the sentiment of this post if you were replying to someone saying that we need to fire Butch and bring in a National Championship caliber coach. Those types of coaches are super rare after all.

But winning 7-8 games every season here isn't a difficult task anymore. The program has been stabilized and the East is as weak as it's ever been.

Show me a coach who's won 7-8 games in whatever G5 or P5 program he's coaching the past 2-3 seasons and I'll show you a guy who can win 7-8 games per season here.


Of course if you're firing Butch to find a guy who can win 7-8 games a season, that makes little sense though. We know Butch can do that. No need to pay him $6-8 to take a hike if all you've got your sites set on is a guy who is no better.

That's kind of what I meant. If you're not going to get a significantly better coach..then why? If you say we will get a great coach..Then who is it? Throw a realistic list out there. I don't agree that just anybody could win 8 games next year with this many very real question marks. 7-5 would really suck, and if we lose to Vandy or Kentucky...back up the truck.

 

[BigZiti09]

When I say game planning issues I mean how obvious it was during certain games that the game plan was to not run Dobbs.

Yeah that's an overall philosophy decision in my book. But I agree with you on that being awful.

In the big games he usually had us in position to win.

 

[Ulysees E. McGill]

Who ya gon git?

I don't see any very realistic choices. I think our best bet at this point is to see if Butch has learned anything. I know this sounds weird, but we could have a good 8-4 season, or a bad 8-4 season. I hope we have a great exceeding expectations kind of year, and Butch goes on to greatness.

 

[Ulysees E. McGill]

Well it's the offseason.

I just can't wrap my mind around 8 being the ceiling. This is year 5. I ain't trying to hear that. It may be a likely record or some may say it's a good season but it's not the ceiling. This ain't Kentucky.

What the hell does the year have to do with it though?