Josh Dobbs - NFL Draft thread (merged)

[VolsSportsFan]

Dobbs can probably make it a while as a 3rd stringer; but those thinking he's going to end up some long term starter are having wishful thinking.

 

[Dobbs 4 Heisman]

Dobbs can probably make it a while as a 3rd stringer; but those thinking he's going to end up some long term starter are having wishful thinking.

LOL. He won't just be a starter, he'll be a star.

He'll be another Randall Cunningham.

 

[jakez4ut]

meh. he's gone from a guy that probably had no future in the NFL, to a guy that's worked his way in to probalby being drafted. yeoman's work by the young man.

he hits all the intangibles you want, has work to do on techniques needed to be truly successful in the NFL.

said it all year long, it's a tribute to how hard he's worked to get to the point where this is even a debatable topic. 3rd round would be awesome...expecting a little lower.

situation will determine a lot for him and is long term outlook. he's not going to come in and save a franchise.

 

[Dobbs 4 Heisman]

meh. he's gone from a guy that probably had no future in the NFL, to a guy that's worked his way in to probalby being drafted. yeoman's work by the young man.

he hits all the intangibles you want, has work to do on techniques needed to be truly successful in the NFL.

said it all year long, it's a tribute to how hard he's worked to get to the point where this is even a debatable topic. 3rd round would be awesome...expecting a little lower.

situation will determine a lot for him and is long term outlook. he's not going to come in and save a franchise.

Just watch.

My new favorite landing spot for Josh is Houston. He could be the missing piece that turns the Texans into a super bowl contender. Sorta like how Russell Wilson was the missing piece that turned Seattle into a superbowl team.

Josh Dobbs on the Houston Texans = superbowl

 

[KBVol]

Let me down?

He did exactly what I projected. Individually his numbers were almost exactly what I said he would do. You are the one who has backtracked the last 6 months cause you said he would be the same player he was in 2015 in 2016.

Now you're pretending to be this dude who believes Josh has a chance to play in the league when less than a year ago you were attacking anyone that said he even had a chance to be an NFL QB.

1. The ONLY stat you got right was total TDs (you actually predicted both 40 & 42 total tds, surprise surprise, but I'll give you that one, close enough). You missed on total yards, passing yards, rushing yards, completion %. You also missed on your predictions that Dobbs would lead us to 15-0, win the national title and be invited to the Heisman Trophy ceremony.

2. I never said he'd be the same player in 2016 that he was in 2015....only that your pie in the sky stat predictions (even though for every other player on the planet you think stats mean nothing) would be incorrect, which, they far and away were.

3. Another lie. I've never said he would never play in the NFL. I've debated whether or not he would be drafted or be signed as an UDFA. The jury is still out there. I've always maintained that he would either be a late round pick (6th or 7th Rd) or he would have to go the free agent route, which is what I still believe. The only bit of budging I've done is allowing that perhaps someone falls in love with the guy (as an outstanding young man and potential NFL qb because of his athletic ability and intangibles....which is far different from the love you have for him) takes a chance on him early, and grabs in as early as the 4th round. That's it.

 

[KBVol]

Just watch.

My new favorite landing spot for Josh is Houston. He could be the missing piece that turns the Texans into a super bowl contender. Sorta like how Russell Wilson was the missing piece that turned Seattle into a superbowl team.

Josh Dobbs on the Houston Texans = superbowl

Lol. Duly noted and sure to be mentioned to you in a future post or two.

 

[82_VOL_83]

So lemme get this straight. One post where I was joking and in which I was about to post an "LOL" post in before Freak banned me for a week puts me in the same boat as some of you who have spent the better part of the last 3 years disparaging Josh and his ability to be a competent passer at QB?

Ok.

My track record regarding Josh speaks for itself. I've been his biggest defender on this site and practically the only person who has always believed he would be a SUPERSTAR at the next level.

You guys are the ones that have had no faith in his abilities.

No, you have been his biggest "hyper". You will be the first to declare him a bust when he doesn't live up to YOUR hype. The rest of us are cautiously realistic. Had Josh lived up to your hype the last couple of years we would be having a different conversation.

 

[82_VOL_83]

No I didn't. I already explained this. Dobbs actually had a good game that day against Ohio. That is why if you read that thread again, most people thought I was trolling (which turned out to be true). Freak banned me for a week for that post because it was trolling.

I was simply trying to change up my routine cause the super positive route wasn't helping. If you remember I was the MOST POSITIVE person after the App State game which was much worse for Dobbs and the team than anything that happened against Ohio.

Folks here just like getting on my case about anything they can get. Even a post I was clearly trying to troll.

Many of us know you from the PF. You are nothing more than a poser.

 

[Burger]

First of all Jack Conklin is epic, and I knew it since he played at MSU. I actually like evaluating offensive linemen as I played the position.

D4H is like the court jester of volnation. We love him because he's pure entertainment. I miss him in the politics forum.

Now with Dobbs, he is very smart but throwing wise, he's not instinctive as Wilson was in college. He hesitated a lot with even basic plays. Being smart and being quick are two different things.

 

[Dobbs 4 Heisman]

1. The ONLY stat you got right was total TDs (you actually predicted both 40 & 42 total tds, surprise surprise, but I'll give you that one, close enough). You missed on total yards, passing yards, rushing yards, completion %. You also missed on your predictions that Dobbs would lead us to 15-0, win the national title and be invited to the Heisman Trophy ceremony.

By miniscule margins.

I predicted Dobbs would have 4000 total yards. He finished with 3,781 total yards. I predicted Dobbs would have 800 rushing yards. He exceeded my prediction with 831 rushing yards. I predicted Dobbs would pass for 3200 passing yards. He finished with 2,946 passing yards. I predicted Dobbs would complete 65% of his passes, he finished with 63% passing.

If you take out the sack yardage that reduced his rushing yards from over 1000 in the season to 831, he would have finished with 4000 total yards. If our guys don't drop a million passes all year Dobbs easily gets to 3200 passing yards and 65% passing.

It's funny to me that you are nitpicking my predictions now because they were not 100% on the money when at the time you called my prediction outlandish because they were so much higher than his production the year before. Are they outlandish now?

2. I never said he'd be the same player in 2016 that he was in 2015....only that your pie in the sky stat predictions (even though for every other player on the planet you think stats mean nothing) would be incorrect, which, they far and away were.

What pie in the sky predictions?

I predicted he would score 40 total TDs. He scored 40 total TDs on the season. Was that pie in the sky?

I predicted he would have 4000 total yards of offense. He had 3,781 total yards of offense on the season. Was that pie in the sky?

Interestingly, if you take out the sack yardage, Dobbs actually gained over 4000 yards of total offense last season. It only got reduced to 3,781 yards because our o-line is terrible and gave up a lot of sacks.

3. Another lie. I've never said he would never play in the NFL. I've debated whether or not he would be drafted or be signed as an UDFA. The jury is still out there. I've always maintained that he would either be a late round pick (6th or 7th Rd) or he would have to go the free agent route, which is what I still believe. The only bit of budging I've done is allowing that perhaps someone falls in love with the guy (as an outstanding young man and potential NFL qb because of his athletic ability and intangibles....which is far different from the love you have for him) takes a chance on him early, and grabs in as early as the 4th round. That's it.

Unlike you, I don't have the time or patience to dig through all your posts but I'm sure you were part of the chorus of posters around this time last year that were laughing at the notion Josh Dobbs would be EVER be an NFL QB. Maybe I'll decide to dig back through your posts. Confess now so that I don't have to waste my time.

 

[Dobbs 4 Heisman]

First of all Jack Conklin is epic, and I knew it since he played at MSU. I actually like evaluating offensive linemen as I played the position.

D4H is like the court jester of volnation. We love him because he's pure entertainment. I miss him in the politics forum.

Now with Dobbs, he is very smart but throwing wise, he's not instinctive as Wilson was in college. He hesitated a lot with even basic plays. Being smart and being quick are two different things.

People gotta realize Dobbs never had the benefit of a redshirt season. Guys like Wilson and Dak made their big leap as passers from their redshirt junior to redshirt senior season.

Imagine if Dobbs had redshirted as a freshmen and had one more year of eligibility? How much better would he be?

He improved his completion from 59% as a true junior to 63% as a true senior. He went from 6.7 ypc to 8.3 ypc. He went from 2200 yards passing to 2900 yards passing. He went from 15 passing TDs in a season to 27 passing TDs in a season. He even improved as a runner going from 671 yards rushing to 831 yards rushing.

Dak Prescott at the same age had another year of eligibility. Russell Wilson at the same age had another year of eligibility. If Dobbs would have been redshirted as a freshmen rather than having to play, he probably makes another huge leap as a passer next year and the comparisons to Wilson and Prescott in their final college seasons would look more appropriate.

 

[Burger]

People gotta realize Dobbs never had the benefit of a redshirt season. Guys like Wilson and Dak made their big leap as passers from their redshirt junior to redshirt senior season.

Imagine if Dobbs had redshirted as a freshmen and had one more year of eligibility? How much better would he be?

He improved his completion from 59% as a true junior to 63% as a true senior. He went from 6.7 ypc to 8.3 ypc. He went from 2200 yards passing to 2900 yards passing. He went from 15 passing TDs in a season to 27 passing TDs in a season. He even improved as a runner going from 671 yards rushing to 831 yards rushing.

Dak Prescott at the same age had another year of eligibility. Russell Wilson at the same age had another year of eligibility. If Dobbs would have been redshirted as a freshmen rather than having to play, he probably makes another huge leap as a passer next year and the comparisons to Wilson and Prescott in their final college seasons would look more appropriate.

Dak Prescott and Wilson have had great instincts since they were sophomores. Growth with QBs usually flatline from their second to third year. The biggest improvement for most players is from their first to second year. Not from their fourth to fifth season. You're assuming progression is like NCAA where it's consistent. In reality, growth diminishes as the years go on.

 

[Dobbs 4 Heisman]

Dak Prescott and Wilson have had great instincts since they were sophomores. Growth with QBs usually flatline from their second to third year. The biggest improvement for most players is from their first to second year. Not from their fourth to fifth season. You're assuming progression is like NCAA where it's consistent. In reality, growth diminishes as the years go on.

Statistically both Wilson and Prescott made big gains passing the ball from their redshirt junior to redshirt senior seasons.

Dobbs also made a huge leap statistically from his true junior to true senior year. So I would disagree with you that not many gains are made after the third year.

 

[bamawriter]

People gotta realize Dobbs never had the benefit of a redshirt season. Guys like Wilson and Dak made their big leap as passers from their redshirt junior to redshirt senior season.

Imagine if Dobbs had redshirted as a freshmen and had one more year of eligibility? How much better would he be?

He improved his completion from 59% as a true junior to 63% as a true senior. He went from 6.7 ypc to 8.3 ypc. He went from 2200 yards passing to 2900 yards passing. He went from 15 passing TDs in a season to 27 passing TDs in a season. He even improved as a runner going from 671 yards rushing to 831 yards rushing.

Dak Prescott at the same age had another year of eligibility. Russell Wilson at the same age had another year of eligibility. If Dobbs would have been redshirted as a freshmen rather than having to play, he probably makes another huge leap as a passer next year and the comparisons to Wilson and Prescott in their final college seasons would look more appropriate.

He had two half seasons worth of non-injury time on the bench. He didn't enter a season as a starter until his junior year.

 

[Dobbs 4 Heisman]

He had two half seasons worth of non-injury time on the bench. He didn't enter a season as a starter until his junior year.

I know. If he didn't have to come in to save the season both those years he would have another year of eligibility. Most QBs plan on being on campus for 5 years. Why else do you think pulling the redshirt off Shea Patterson last year was such a big deal.

If Dobbs had another year of eligibility, he would probably have an even bigger season statistically in 2017 than his SEC leading 2016 season.

 

[bamawriter]

I know. If he didn't have to come in to save the season both those years he would have another year of eligibility. Most QBs plan on being on campus for 5 years. Why else do you think pulling the redshirt off Shea Patterson last year was such a big deal.

If Dobbs had another year of eligibility, he would probably have an even bigger season statistically in 2017 than his SEC leading 2016 season.

No. QBs, like all other players, plan on staying for 3 years. Any who stay longer do so to improve their draft stocks.

 

[Darth_Shiveman]

By miniscule margins.

I predicted Dobbs would have 4000 total yards. He finished with 3,781 total yards. I predicted Dobbs would have 800 rushing yards. He exceeded my prediction with 831 rushing yards. I predicted Dobbs would pass for 3200 passing yards. He finished with 2,946 passing yards. I predicted Dobbs would complete 65% of his passes, he finished with 63% passing.

If you take out the sack yardage that reduced his rushing yards from over 1000 in the season to 831, he would have finished with 4000 total yards. If our guys don't drop a million passes all year Dobbs easily gets to 3200 passing yards and 65% passing.

It's funny to me that you are nitpicking my predictions now because they were not 100% on the money when at the time you called my prediction outlandish because they were so much higher than his production the year before. Are they outlandish now?




What pie in the sky predictions?

I predicted he would score 40 total TDs. He scored 40 total TDs on the season. Was that pie in the sky?

I predicted he would have 4000 total yards of offense. He had 3,781 total yards of offense on the season. Was that pie in the sky?

Interestingly, if you take out the sack yardage, Dobbs actually gained over 4000 yards of total offense last season. It only got reduced to 3,781 yards because our o-line is terrible and gave up a lot of sacks.

1. You also predicted a 3500 yes passing/1000 yard rushing JR season for Dobbs.

2. The fact that you lack the football knowledge to factor in OL performance on your predictions is hilarious.

 

[Dobbs 4 Heisman]

1. You also predicted a 3500 yes passing/1000 yard rushing JR season for Dobbs.

If not for Butch Jones, Dobbs would have done just that.

When Dobbs becomes the first player in NFL history to pass for 4000 yards and run for 1000 yards in a season you'll realize how bad Butch Jones was. Everyone will be like where we was this at Tennessee? And I'll be here saying look no further than Butch Jones.

 

[Caleb59seal]

First of all Jack Conklin is epic, and I knew it since he played at MSU. I actually like evaluating offensive linemen as I played the position.

D4H is like the court jester of volnation. We love him because he's pure entertainment. I miss him in the politics forum.

Now with Dobbs, he is very smart but throwing wise, he's not instinctive as Wilson was in college. He hesitated a lot with even basic plays. Being smart and being quick are two different things.

Hey got a totally random question that I need to know... how do you block outside zone? Like the steps that you used or did you run that play...? There some new teaching on it and want to find out if it's legit or not... ever heard of Jim McNally

 

[Burger]

If not for Butch Jones, Dobbs would have done just that.

When Dobbs becomes the first player in NFL history to pass for 4000 yards and run for 1000 yards in a season you'll realize how bad Butch Jones was. Everyone will be like where we was this at Tennessee? And I'll be here saying look no further than Butch Jones.

I agree with the fact that Butch Jones is awful, but Dobbs will not do that. His career would be over quick if he had enough carries to get close to 1000 yards.

 

[Burger]

Hey got a totally random question that I need to know... how do you block outside zone? Like the steps that you used or did you run that play...? There some new teaching on it and want to find out if it's legit or not... ever heard of Jim McNally

Completely depends on where the noseguard is located. If the noseguard is between the center and I, we would double team the noseguard then one of us would try to get to a line backer, usually the guard tries.

From the right guards perspective, the first step would be a small lateral towards the flow of the play because you don't want your guys to run into each other. Then it would be to make a double team with the center or tackle. Keep in mind that the back side end is unlocked by nature or chipped by the TE. After the double team, the guard usually goes and kills a line backer unless they are double teaming with a tackle, which the tackle goes and kills a line backer.

Summary

1) Lateral step towards flow of the run
2) Upfield to engage in a double team
3) Split off to go kill a linebacker

During the lateral step, more nimble linemen can lay down a cut block to let the guard be able to release Upfield quicker. Cut Blocks are almost always involved in a zone scheme.

Now for pass blocking, You would go into a pass pro step kinda seeing who's going to go into your gaps. Perfect example is the Packers during stunts.

 

[Burger]

Statistically both Wilson and Prescott made big gains passing the ball from their redshirt junior to redshirt senior seasons.

Dobbs also made a huge leap statistically from his true junior to true senior year. So I would disagree with you that not many gains are made after the third year.

Prescott's biggest improvement was between his first and second years starting. In his last year, he only improved by 350 yards, 2 touchdowns, and 6 less picks. He also threw 80 more attempts. His accuracy did go up, but his yards per play were down by .7 yards. So basically, he threw shorter passes in his last year.

Russell Wilson's stats improved at Wisconsin because of offensive philosophy of Wisconsin is more conservative, and his supporting cast was a mile better. Tom O'Brien let his QBs sling it around like they were Tyler Bray. Russell changing schools had more to do with his last season than the progression.

 

[Darth_Shiveman]

If not for Butch Jones, Dobbs would have done just that.

When Dobbs becomes the first player in NFL history to pass for 4000 yards and run for 1000 yards in a season you'll realize how bad Butch Jones was. Everyone will be like where we was this at Tennessee? And I'll be here saying look no further than Butch Jones.

Lol wanna make a bet that really ever happens?


If Dobbs ever becomes a starting QB or a team's franchise guy like you're claiming he'll be straight out of the gate, no way his coaches have him running enough to put up those kind numbers on the ground.

He's not built like Cam Newton. Dude won't be able to take that kind of pounding.

 

[Dobbs 4 Heisman]

Lol wanna make a bet that really ever happens?


If Dobbs ever becomes a starting QB or a team's franchise guy like you're claiming he'll be straight out of the gate, no way his coaches have him running enough to put up those kind numbers on the ground.

He's not built like Cam Newton. Dude won't be able to take that kind of pounding.

Dobbs is the most elusive runner to enter the NFL since Randall Cunningham. He rarely takes a big hit and just knows how to avoid contact.

Randall Cunningham ran for 900 yards one year. With the read option being more prominent now, I think Dobbs can hit 1000 yards.

He'll be a phenomenon the league has not seen since Randall.

 

[Darth_Shiveman]

Dobbs is the most elusive runner to enter the NFL since Randall Cunningham. He rarely takes a big hit and just knows how to avoid contact.

Randall Cunningham ran for 900 yards one year. With the read option being more prominent now, I think Dobbs can hit 1000 yards.

He'll be a phenomenon the league has not seen since Randall.

1. Lol.

2. All it takes is one hit. And since Cunningham's time, the NFL has moved from bigger, sometimes plodding LBs to guys who are much faster than what Dobbs faced in college. He'll get hit eventually. He's not built to take the hits it takes a rusher to hit 1000 yards in the NFL.

3. If somehow was running enough to get that many yards, it will be because he's not passing well enough to hit the 4000 passing yards you projected. Put down the PS4 controller and go back and look at the best dual threat years QBs have had in the NFL. None of them have been all that close to 4000/1000 yards.

Even Cunningham's great rushing year left him 500+ yards away from the 4000 yard passing mark. More recent guys like Cam and Russel Wilson have gotten within a couple hundred yards of one or the other, but were still ~500 yards off that mark. And both of those guys are faster than Dobbs.



I get that throwing outrageous stats at the wall, changing them once you've seen how unreasonable they are, then claiming you were right all along is kind of your thing, but it's especially outrageous here. It's unlikely we see a QB hit that mark anytime soon, if ever.

There are guys playing who might be capable of it, in the right circumstances. However, most of them mean far too much to their team and franchise to be used as anything more than a compliment in the running game. For every QB like Cunningham, Cam Newton, or Russell Wilson we've seen have what it takes to get 600+ rushing yards in a season, there's been multiple guys like RG3 or Jake Locker who get the piss knocked out of them and go down for a season because they think they can run like they did in college.