The Senate just voted to undo landmark rules covering your Internet privacy

[orangeluvr]

14 year congressional career says it all . Term limits please. :jpshakehead:

 

[PKT_VOL]

No it's not, absolutely nothing he said was anything but partisan bullshat.

Until now, you could choose to go through an open public site or to search in private.

The "nefarious" searches that I don't want advertised, is my searches for my children's birthday and Christmas presents.

Because we live in such a partisan (for the right) area, I wish this had been a lib idea. That way, it would receive the outrage it deserves by everyone, regardless of political leaning. There is absolutely nothing right or ok about this and no one with a true republic idealism would ever suggest as much. Even pretending this is ok in any form or manner isn't supporting any likeness of true belief, it's simply " R's did it so I'll blow as much smoke up your ass as necessary, to defend "my side".

Where is this private Internet you speak of?

 

[chargervol]

Where is this private Internet you speak of?

Lol..




Just in case you're serious, we have to go back to the start of dial up guidelines and go from there. Currently, it ranges anywhere from the fight over breaking the code of someone's cell phone, to me being able to look up the latest PlayStation game without the kids getting an ad showing I was doing so.


FTR, I'm perfectly okay with military being able to do so in case I'm plotting an attack against a stock exchange center. Less happy with "share" being able to show that I'm looking at the latest Barbie for my daughter and telling her so through ads.

 

[Thunder Good-Oil]

I'd like to know how easily the government can tap into anybody's camera and literally watch them.

 

[volfanhill]

I'd like to know how easily the government can tap into anybody's camera and literally watch them.

They can do it through your tv

 

[PKT_VOL]

Lol..




Just in case you're serious, we have to go back to the start of dial up guidelines and go from there. Currently, it ranges anywhere from the fight over breaking the code of someone's cell phone, to me being able to look up the latest PlayStation game without the kids getting an ad showing I was doing so.


FTR, I'm perfectly okay with military being able to do so in case I'm plotting an attack against a stock exchange center. Less happy with "share" being able to show that I'm looking at the latest Barbie for my daughter and telling her so through ads.

You can wish for all sorts of things. That's fine. I'm just wondering where your private Internet is.

 

[Thunder Good-Oil]

They can do it through your tv

Also, the microwave oven and toilet.

 

[chargervol]

You can wish for all sorts of things. That's fine. I'm just wondering where your private Internet is.

MS- control/alt/P. "Private browsing"

Google- lol. But seriously, "Google" search engines. I've never received an add from something I searched using 'Excite'

This is not 'government can't track you ' suggestions, but like I said, I'm into kids don't know their gifts from ol dad kinda lifestyle.. Just how I "roll".

#daddylife.

 

[PKT_VOL]

MS- control/alt/P. "Private browsing"

Google- lol. But seriously, "Google" search engines. I've never received an add from something I searched using 'Excite'

This is not 'government can't track you ' suggestions, but like I said, I'm into kids don't know their gifts from ol dad kinda lifestyle.. Just how I "roll".

#daddylife.

Why isn't this an issue between you and MS, Excite, or Google?

 

[Septic]

You can wish for all sorts of things. That's fine. I'm just wondering where your private Internet is.

Up until today, the following couldn't be sold by your ISP, now it's ALL for sale:

• Your name
• Your address
• Your IP address
• Your current subscription level
• Geographic location
• Children’s information
• Health information
• Financial information
• Social Security numbers
• Web browsing history
• App usage history
• The content of communications

Rep. Marsha Blackburn (TN) — who has previously tried to kill the FCC’s net neutrality rules, and who just happened to have received nearly $80,000 from AT&T, Comcast, Verizon, and telecom lobbyists — argued that the FCC can still handle privacy issues on a “case by case” basis, and that the free market will prevent ISPs from going too far in exploiting customer data.

LOL

No one on the GOP side of the house could even answer why it was necessary to repeal this, none were available for comment as they were out cashing checks from the ISP lobbyists.

Drain the swamp. :birgits_giggle:

 

[PKT_VOL]

Up until today, the following couldn't be sold by your ISP, now it's ALL for sale:

• Your name
• Your address
• Your IP address
• Your current subscription level
• Anything else not in the “opt in” bucket.
• Geographic location
• Children’s information
• Health information
• Financial information
• Social Security numbers
• Web browsing history
• App usage history
• The content of communications

Rep. Marsha Blackburn (TN) — who has previously tried to kill the FCC’s net neutrality rules, and who just happened to have received nearly $80,000 from AT&T, Comcast, Verizon, and telecom lobbyists — argued that the FCC can still handle privacy issues on a “case by case” basis, and that the free market will prevent ISPs from going too far in exploiting customer data.

LOL

No one on the GOP side of the house could even answer why it was necessary to repeal this, none were available for comment as they were out cashing checks from the ISP lobbyists.

Drain the swamp. :birgits_giggle:

Why shouldn't this be an issue between customers and their ISP?

 

[Septic]

Why shouldn't this be an issue between customers and their ISP?

Because ISP's will run roughshod over their customers, as they always have. Lack of viable competition tends to have that effect.

 

[PKT_VOL]

Because ISP's will run roughshod over their customers, as they always have. Lack of viable competition tends to have that effect.

This circles back to McDad's point about how this issue is low priority or nonexistent in people's day-to-day lives. Sure, they muster some faux outrage right after they read an article or documentary on the subject but will gleefully continue to use their ISP, Internet browser, smartphone, and smart TV.

If there was a serious need or want among consumers, the market would/will respond accordingly.

 

[Burger]

This circles back to McDad's point about how this issue is low priority or nonexistent in people's day-to-day lives. Sure, they muster some faux outrage right after they read an article or documentary on the subject but will gleefully continue to use their ISP, Internet browser, smartphone, and smart TV.

If there was a serious need or want among consumers, the market would/will respond accordingly.

Just like with environmental things, the private sector innovated with finding cleaner and more efficient ways to do things like burn coal.

 

[Septic]

This circles back to McDad's point about how this issue is low priority or nonexistent in people's day-to-day lives. Sure, they muster some faux outrage right after they read an article or documentary on the subject but will gleefully continue to use their ISP, Internet browser, smartphone, and smart TV.

If there was a serious need or want among consumers, the market would/will respond accordingly.

Yeah, I get that. What bothers me is that it's just another example of our "representatives" selling us out (in this case literally).

I would prefer that our government and our representatives err on the side of their constituents privacy, not making a buck off of it.

Would your attitude be different if it were companies lobbying to repeal HIPPA laws so that your health information could be sold by all physicians to pharmaceutical manufacturers, pharmacies, chiropractors, health insurers, life insurers, credit agencies, banks etc?

Would you feel betrayed if the sponsors of the bill were balls deep in campaign donations from Pfizer, BCBS & Walgreens?

 

[Septic]

Just like with environmental things, the private sector innovated with finding cleaner and more efficient ways to do things like burn coal.

What are you talking about?

ATT&T & Comcast are not "innovating" anything here, they merely want to continue to sell your personally identifiable information.

 

[Burger]

What are you talking about?

ATT&T & Comcast are not "innovating" anything here, they merely want to continue to sell your personally identifiable information.

They also shouldn't have geographical monopolies.

 

[PKT_VOL]

Just like with environmental things, the private sector innovated with finding cleaner and more efficient ways to do things like burn coal.

Regulations for the environment are very different. Technology and innovation with respect to the environment, yeah.

 

[PKT_VOL]

Yeah, I get that. What bothers me is that it's just another example of our "representatives" selling us out (in this case literally).

There would have to be something worthy of not being sold out. I don't think there is.

I would prefer that our government and our representatives err on the side of their constituents privacy, not making a buck off of it.

1) If one expects privacy on the Internet, they're a fool.

2) Their constituents would have to care about their information being sold relative to the convenience they provide. They don't.

Would your attitude be different if it were companies lobbying to repeal HIPPA laws so that your health information could be sold by all physicians to pharmaceutical manufacturers, pharmacies, chiropractors, health insurers, life insurers, credit agencies, banks etc?

Would you feel betrayed if the sponsors of the bill were balls deep in campaign donations from Pfizer, BCBS & Walgreens?

Should be between you and your doctor.

There is no need to have unnecessary laws and bureaucracy which lead to unnecessary expenses for government and the private sector.

Both parties should be free to associate with one another as they please. If doctor A offers a contract which includes privacy, but cost 30% more, I might defer to doctor B who doesn't, but for 30% less, for my sniffles or a broken ankle. Conversely, if I was going to have a sex change surgery, I might hit up doctor A at 30% for the privacy.

 

[FLVOL_79]

Jesus man, do you ever have an original thought that pops in your head?

TRUMP WON GET OVER IT is your default response in every thread.

Also, the first 15 responses in every new thread are guaranteed to be a conservative deflection about Obama or Hillary.

Says the guy with the Sammy Hagar handle..lol:

 

[FLVOL_79]

Because ISP's will run roughshod over their customers, as they always have. Lack of viable competition tends to have that effect.

You do realize this EO that was undone has only existed for say, 6 months..7 months max right?...

I don't seem to recall customers getting stampeded by ISPs over anything but price..

 

[Orange_Crush]

People are acting like this is a new thing. How do you think those ads you liberals get for male order brides keep popping up? Hell, look here on VN. Look at the ads you have on this very page. How do you think those got there?

If you are really paranoid your significant others are going to find out about your dark secrets use Tor, it might help with all that nefarious sh!t yall wade in.

I'm not disagreeing in the least; I agree that we have no privacy on the internet, but what you are referencing is different.

Those ads happen because google (mostly) tracks your activity, and 3rd parties pay google to insert their ads according to your browsing history. It's all internal to google. Google is collecting, tracking and using.

This new legislation seems to be allowing your internet provider to track and log your internet activity, and then sell it to outside sources, and they use it as they see fit. That's a whole different ballgame.

I think this is a greater conversation that needs to be happening, and the US public should be outraged, more about our government encroachment than even third parties. How did we come to the point where we, as Americans, accept unreasonable search and seizure of our privacy (whether in a car, or a browser)?

 

[Coug]

Just use a VPN.

 

[Septic]

You do realize this EO that was undone has only existed for say, 6 months..7 months max right?...

I don't seem to recall customers getting stampeded by ISPs over anything but price..

Actually, only the mandate existed for that long. I don't believe it has even gone into effect. So technically, they repealed an order that never saw action. So yeah, I realize it.

Again, my issue is with (some) in congress selling their constituency down the river to corporations for a little campaign cash. There is ZERO benefit to the people.

Drain the swamp?

 

[McDad]

Just use a VPN.

Your post sparked a thought. The change in law will create opportunities for some savvy people. If I had the smarts, I would create a search engine which kept everything anonymous and promote it like a mad man right now.