Josh Dobbs - NFL Draft thread (merged)

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bamawriter said:
I love how you can just call someone a bust and you think it somehow makes it true. Henry has been great in his role. As a Titans fan, I'm thrilled he's on the team.

Speaking of the Titans, why'd you never mention Jack Conklin heading into last year's draft? He was arguably the best right tackle in the league as a rookie (certainly top 5). Your expertise should have seen that coming, right? Or is he another guaranteed bust?
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I don't evaluate offensive lineman.
 
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bamawriter said:
Do you have a brain tumor?
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I don't evaluate offensive lineman when it comes to college to pro projection.

Its one of the few times I rely on the opinion of others. I read an article on Pro Football Focus a few weeks back rating the titans o-line as the best in the league.

PFF could be wrong. But this is one of the few areas I can't actually call them out on it.
 
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
I don't evaluate offensive lineman when it comes to college to pro projection.

Its one of the few times I rely on the opinion of others. I read an article on Pro Football Focus a few weeks back rating the titans o-line as the best in the league.

PFF could be wrong. But this is one of the few areas I can't actually call them out on it.
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So what about when you said the browns had a good OL?
 
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
When it comes to o-lineman? Sure I'll believe the media.

I can't really call them out on it.
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Well locating an article that says the Browns have a good OL shouldn't be too hard. Go ahead, expert. You're usually pretty quick to link articles that coincide with your opinion.
 
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Vol_is_Lyfe18 said:
Well locating an article that says the Browns have a good OL shouldn't be too hard. Go ahead, expert. You're usually pretty quick to link articles that coincide with your opinion.
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https://www.profootballfocus.com/pro-ranking-all-32-nfl-offensive-lines-this-season/

PFF ranked Cleveland's offensive line #16 last year out of the 32 NFL teams.

Considering this is the Browns we're talking about, I would consider ranking as average in any statistical category to be good.

Plus they just added a couple of big-time offensive line free agents this off-season. I don't think it's a stretch to say they have a good offensive line heading into 2017.
 
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
https://www.profootballfocus.com/pro-ranking-all-32-nfl-offensive-lines-this-season/

PFF ranked Cleveland's offensive line #16 last year out of the 32 NFL teams.

Considering this is the Browns we're talking about, I would consider ranking as average in any statistical category to be good.

Plus they just added a couple of big-time offensive line free agents this off-season. I don't think it's a stretch to say they have a good offensive line heading into 2017.
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With all disrespect meant, that is absoltuely freaking stupid. The 2016 Browns gave up the second most sacks that any team has given up this decade. If their individual assessment of Joe Thomas brings the score of the entire line up over 16 other teams, then that is a completely moronic scoring system. Given how moronic it is, it's no surprise that you're citing it.
 
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bamawriter said:
With all disrespect meant, that is absoltuely freaking stupid. The 2016 Browns gave up the second most sacks that any team has given up this decade. If their individual assessment of Joe Thomas brings the score of the entire line up over 16 other teams, then that is a completely moronic scoring system. Given how moronic it is, it's no surprise that you're citing it.
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Take your beef up with PFF. I'm not the one that made the list.

And BTW they argue that the QB play at Cleveland didn't help the offensive line. Football is a team sport in case you forgot. I'm sure bad QB play contributed to the poor sack numbers. If a QB holds onto the ball too long and gets sacked, it's not always the offensive lines fault. Similar to how if a QB completes a pass after he gets a lot of time in the pocket isn't the fault of the DBs and LBs in coverage.
 
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
Take your beef up with PFF. I'm not the one that made the list.

And BTW they argue that the QB play at Cleveland didn't help the offensive line. Football is a team sport in case you forgot. I'm sure bad QB play contributed to the poor sack numbers. If a QB holds onto the ball too long and gets sacked, it's not always the offensive lines fault. Similar to how if a QB completes a pass after he gets a lot of time in the pocket isn't the fault of the DBs and LBs in coverage.
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Don't cite articles unless you have reason to agree with them.

The Browns did have poor QB play, and that certainly hurts. But their QBs were not helped by the fact that they got killed on every snap.

Split the blame however you'd like, but the Browns were the worst performing offensive line in the league last year. Saying otherwise is beyond stupid.
 
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
(1) I just didn't say Elliott would be good. I said he would lead the NFL in rushing. I said he would get 1500+ yards. I said he would immediately be one of the best players in the NFL. I was attacked got saying this. People were admitting he was good but they said he wouldn't be as good in year 1 as I was saying. I was ultimately proven right. So please stop acting like all I did was just say he would be good. I said he would be best RB in the NFL his first year. No one else said that.

(2) Neal may have been a first round pick but he was a surprise first round pick. And a lot of people were saying Atlanta made a mistake taking him that high. I was alone in saying he would be a star immediately.

(3) I didn't do too well with the QBs last year. That is why I called it a learning experience. I missed big time on Dak. I've learned from that. Christian Hackenburg is a bust but I still like Kevin Hogan. He won't be a star QB like Dak. But I think he can be a solid starter someday.
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The at best benefit you get for Elliott is being on the high side of what basically everybody projected for Elliott. Bear in mind I don't think most people were expecting for Elliott to easily lead the league in carries. For instance, the NFL.com projection was 250 carries for 1300 yards. Extrapolate that over 322 carries and you get 1674. That's more than he actually got. I mean, yay you and all and others projected less but this wasn't some magical prediction on your part.

Neal was the #2 S for WalterFootball and ESPN insider, probably others. Neal was no hidden gem.

You made Top 3 lists at RB and QB and in both cases 2 of your 3 were absolute crash-and-burn bombs in their first season.
 
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Dobbs is one of a kind, and to me he is a VFL. I just don't see him making it at the next level. His ability to scramble will be minimized and he lacks the accuracy downfield to be a threat.
 
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Are we all aware that O-Line is one of the most crucial postions in Football... And everything starts there and ends there. That's usually how you can tell if you know scouting wise about a person that "knows football" is if he can scout Offensuce linemen
 
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Are we all aware that O-Line is one of the most crucial postions in Football... And everything starts there and ends there. That's usually how you can tell if you know scouting wise about a person that "knows football" is if he can scout an Offensive linemen
 
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Caleb59seal said:
Are we all aware that O-Line is one of the most crucial postions in Football... And everything starts there and ends there. That's usually how you can tell if you know scouting wise about a person that "knows football" is if he can scout an Offensive linemen
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Yes
 
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Caleb59seal said:
Are we all aware that O-Line is one of the most crucial postions in Football... And everything starts there and ends there. That's usually how you can tell if you know scouting wise about a person that "knows football" is if he can scout an Offensive linemen
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And still yes.
 
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Jeepkuntry said:
Dobbs is one of a kind, and to me he is a VFL. I just don't see him making it at the next level. His ability to scramble will be minimized and he lacks the accuracy downfield to be a threat.
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First of all why would his scrambling ability be minimized? Last I checked scrambling QBs like Russell Wilson and Tyrod Taylor are still having success in the league.

And second, Dobbs was one of the most accurate deep ball passers in the country last year. So where are you getting this idea from that he lacks the accuracy to be a threat passing the ball downfield when that is literally the thing he did best last year in the pass game.
 
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
First of all why would his scrambling ability be minimized? Last I checked scrambling QBs like Russell Wilson and Tyrod Taylor are still having success in the league.

And second, Dobbs was one of the most accurate deep ball passers in the country last year. So where are you getting this idea from that he lacks the accuracy to be a threat passing the ball downfield when that is literally the thing he did best last year in the pass game.
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What is the number one route in the NFL?
 
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