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Lmao, that you bothered to look that up. you know the point I'm making

You are just another poster who has this misguided belief of settling for mediocrity.

Your's wasn't a good point, it was a wrong comment. Would you be happier if Alexander was coming off of the bench to get his initial minutes? Seems pretty smart to start him so he can get his minutes early. Plus he's the player most likely to win the opening tip.

Without Lew Evans this would have been a single digit win total team. I'll settle for the outcome with more wins.
 
Your's wasn't a good point, it was a wrong comment. Would you be happier if Alexander was coming off of the bench to get his initial minutes? Seems pretty smart to start him so he can get his minutes early. Plus he's the player most likely to win the opening tip.

Without Lew Evans this would have been a single digit win total team. I'll settle for the outcome with more wins.

You think he made that big of a difference? He had a good game against UK, but I honestly can't remember him factoring in any other game
 
You think he made that big of a difference? He had a good game against UK, but I honestly can't remember him factoring in any other game

What the hell does it matter. Season is over. He will not be back. You can latch on to someone next season b***h and moan about.

Thanks Lew for what you brought to the table. A gritty hard headed toughness. The occasional 3. And 5 fouls to give. Thanks for wanting to be a Vol.
 
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I'd take a freshman with some potential over a guy who everyone knew wasnt going to provide much. Unless turnovers and 3 points a game are important to You?

Even if a agreed with your statement, I wold much prefer to have a one year player with a few turn overs and 3 3 point/game average than a freshman with the same numbers. Barns is building his team and it will be improved next rat over this year and likely go to the big dance. He needed some hight and all those who could play in the SEC had already committed or chose to go somewhere else. We will have some hight in 2017 and will be able to play with teams who crushed us because of our lack of hight.
 
Not particularly him, but. the fact that RB brings a player that had 3 decent games? It was a waste of time. We need better players

It wasn't a waste of time because we only invested one year in him. At the time we got him, the pickins were slim. We needed someone who could provide depth in the post and provide some senior leadership and guidance in the locker room for a team full of FR and SO players. Most of what Lew Evans contributed isn't showing up in a box score. If he were more than a last minute, one-year rental, you'd have a decent point.
 
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Coach Oliver out recruiting, it looks like.

@desmondoliver2:Early morning flight out to Kansas. Going to the Juco Championships. Haven't been in years...
 

Looks like kid has some sportsmanship/attitude issues and if he were to return to NM next year would be suspended 1 game by the conference. Also don't let his PPG average fool you - kid took 417 (25% of team) shots last year with the next closest guy shooting 253. His average is right in line with UT guards Lamonte Bowden Bone & Shembari but no way he could come here and shoot anywhere the volume he shot at NM. For further reference Hubbs led last years team in shots taken at 364 which is 19% of total shots.

Just some stats I found interesting.
 
I don't hate Oliver.
I just wish Barnes would take a more active role in recruiting instead of relying on Desmond to do the heavy lifting.
 
I don't hate Oliver.
I just wish Barnes would take a more active role in recruiting instead of relying on Desmond to do the heavy lifting.

I never hear you bag on the other assistants though, nor have I noticed you ever taking an active interest in any assistant coach from any other staff before Barnes. Your disdain for Oliver seems unique.
 
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I never hear you bag on the other assistants though, nor I have I noticed you ever taking an active interest in any assistant coach from any other staff before Barnes. Your disdain for Oliver seems unique.

Seemed pretty clear to me he was taking a shot at sleepy Rickey from Hickory.
 
Seemed pretty clear to me he was taking a shot at sleepy Rickey from Hickory.

Well, I'd suggest reviewing his recent post history. He may not like Barnes, but he goes out of his way pretty often to use Oliver as his punching bag.

One facet of the solution is getting rid of Desmond Oliver. The TX supporters/boosters wanted Barnes to shake up his staff at his former job. Rick's refusal to upgrade his staff is a big reason he was ousted from that job. Barnes was wrong to bring his staff with him over to Knoxville. Oliver's been tasked with doing the majority of the recruiting because Rick either can't or won't get involved to the level that he should. Desmond Oliver is the Fredo of college recruiting.

I think we all know that, but he should have left him at Charlotte.
I haven't seen anything from Oliver yet to make him look like a quality addition to the staff.

Well those are the ones Desmond Oliver will be going hard after.
 
I never hear you bag on the other assistants though, nor have I noticed you ever taking an active interest in any assistant coach from any other staff before Barnes. Your disdain for Oliver seems unique.

I've criticized Desmond because he's the one doing the majority of the recruiting for Barnes. I've also praised Schwartz recently for reeling in Pons. If I've failed to mention the entire assistant coaching staff vis a vis recruiting, it's because their names have not been associated with any particular recruit in the Barnes era from what I've read, although I may have missed a report or two along the way. I'd be as pleased as anyone else to see Desmond reel in a big fish, but he has not yet done so. It just seems to me that he's not aiming high enough, but that may be more Rick's fault than his. If Rick isn't pushing him to go after big recruits, maybe he feels there's no need to do so of his own volition. I get the feeling Desmond doesn't have enough self-confidence to compete with the big-name suitors on the recruiting trail.

As far as previous coaching staffs, I don't even remember whose name was associated with recruiting under our past head coaches, but I'm pretty sure that Bruce Pearl and Donnie Tyndall did the majority of their own recruiting while they were in Knoxville. I believe Jerrry Green did as well. I also recall being quite delighted back in the Seventies when Ray Mears and his staff landed both Ernie Grunfeld and Bernard King. I'm not sure whether Stu Aberdeen was involved in bringing in either of those two or not, but he may have been. I remember Don DeVoe as well, but not who was on his staff or who he recruited. I can't even remember who coached the Vols prior to Mears. I'd have to look it up, but I don't recall any noteworthy players prior to the Mears era.
 
I've criticized Desmond because he's the one doing the majority of the recruiting for Barnes. I've also praised Schwartz recently for reeling in Pons. If I've failed to mention the entire assistant coaching staff vis a vis recruiting, it's because their names have not been associated with any particular recruit in the Barnes era from what I've read, although I may have missed a report or two along the way. I'd be as pleased as anyone else to see Desmond reel in a big fish, but he has not yet done so. It just seems to me that he's not aiming high enough, but that may be more Rick's fault than his. If Rick isn't pushing him to go after big recruits, maybe he feels there's no need to do so of his own volition. I get the feeling Desmond doesn't have enough self-confidence to compete with the big-name suitors on the recruiting trail.

As far as previous coaching staffs, I don't even remember whose name was associated with recruiting under our past head coaches, but I'm pretty sure that Bruce Pearl and Donnie Tyndall did the majority of their own recruiting while they were in Knoxville. I believe Jerrry Green did as well. I also recall being quite delighted back in the Seventies when Ray Mears and his staff landed both Ernie Grunfeld and Bernard King. I'm not sure whether Stu Aberdeen was involved in bringing in either of those two or not, but he may have been. I remember Don DeVoe as well, but not who was on his staff or who he recruited. I can't even remember who coached the Vols prior to Mears. I'd have to look it up, but I don't recall any noteworthy players prior to the Mears era.

I have a hard time believing, and you should too, that Oliver is recruiting whomever he chooses or feels comfortable ("confident") recruiting.

He is recruiting who the staff collectively believe can contribute and Tennessee has a realistic shot at landing. Barnes said when he came to Tennessee that he was changing his recruiting philosophy, and woukd no longer be targeting one-and-done type players. It blows my mind that our fans still can't recognize or acknowledge that fact, not that our program was in a position to attract such talent to begin with following 5 years of turmoil, turnover, toxicity. Not even the Rick Barnes name is going to overcome that stigma overnight.
 
I've criticized Desmond because he's the one doing the majority of the recruiting for Barnes. I've also praised Schwartz recently for reeling in Pons. If I've failed to mention the entire assistant coaching staff vis a vis recruiting, it's because their names have not been associated with any particular recruit in the Barnes era from what I've read, although I may have missed a report or two along the way. I'd be as pleased as anyone else to see Desmond reel in a big fish, but he has not yet done so. It just seems to me that he's not aiming high enough, but that may be more Rick's fault than his. If Rick isn't pushing him to go after big recruits, maybe he feels there's no need to do so of his own volition. I get the feeling Desmond doesn't have enough self-confidence to compete with the big-name suitors on the recruiting trail.

As far as previous coaching staffs, I don't even remember whose name was associated with recruiting under our past head coaches, but I'm pretty sure that Bruce Pearl and Donnie Tyndall did the majority of their own recruiting while they were in Knoxville. I believe Jerrry Green did as well. I also recall being quite delighted back in the Seventies when Ray Mears and his staff landed both Ernie Grunfeld and Bernard King. I'm not sure whether Stu Aberdeen was involved in bringing in either of those two or not, but he may have been. I remember Don DeVoe as well, but not who was on his staff or who he recruited. I can't even remember who coached the Vols prior to Mears. I'd have to look it up, but I don't recall any noteworthy players prior to the Mears era.

To add.....Cuonzo did the heavy lifting on the trail while in Knoxville.

At Cal he hired a guy to do it who ended up getting in some trouble. At Missouri he hired the father of a couple of blue chips.

What does Barnes have to do today that is so important that he can't hit the road?
 

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