Recruiting Forum Football Talk XXXII

[Chuckie]

To all of you who are venting, complaining, whining, bltchlng, moaning, or any other variation of such things...

 

[Kristy*]

The facts are you have no real intelligent answer for how an AD focuses on winning.
That's why you are going away.


ADs number one job is to raise money and build winning faculties.

ADs number 2 job is to hire coaches to win.


Currie has been damn good at number 1 and been just fine at the second

I actually agree with Bruin. Which means his opinion will change in 3. .2. .1. . Go.

 

[Atzar]

I feel like some of you don’t understand what an AD does, and it seems like willful ignorance to me – or at the very least, dramatically oversimplifying it to serve your argument.

In Currie’s time at K State, their yearly revenue has increased from about $50M per year (in 2010) to $85M per year (in 2016). Also in that time, their yearly expenses increased from $40M per year to $75M per year. Source. He knows how to make the money, and he invests it right back into the program.

Do you want the best facilities in the SEC? Because that’s how you get the best facilities in the SEC. No, they aren’t “good enough already”. Sports science is a constantly-evolving industry, and UT must keep up if they want to be relevant in college athletics. Do you want one of the biggest recruiting budgets in the nation? You make the money, then you spend it. Do you want the best coaches? You’d better be able to afford them.

This isn’t a “Currie is the best AD ever!” post. Are there issues? Sure. I’m not crazy about hiring a guy who is reportedly so divisive. And he doesn’t have a long track record with regards to coaching hires for football and basketball. But making enough money to afford the best is a very good start. You can fail with a solid foundation, but you can't succeed without one.

 

[BruinVol]

I actually agree with Bruin. Which means his opinion will change in 3. .2. .1. . Go.

Good stuff!

 

[JCLawyerVol]

This dude is such a stickler for NCAA compliance he had a big hand in hiring Lane Kiffin and Bruce Pearl........

 

[Kristy*]

Glad you came around to the facts

Not facts. Opinion. The one time we happen to share one.

If you want me to bite, fine: Show me one shred of evidence that Barnes' players quit on him or were tired of his BS. You've got nothing, and you know it.

In Barnes' last year at Texas, they finished the season 5-5, yes. Their 5 losses were all to ranked teams by a combined 24 points. That's fewer than 5 ppg. Choke on those facts, because that doesn't sound to me like a team that has quit on their coach. Also, they won 3 of their last 4, while again not quitting.

 

[Bassmaster_Vol]

every year the price goes up over there. We build new facilities. We do multi million dollar renovations. We bleed more out of a loyal fanbase

but in the hamilton years we didn't protect ourselves in contracts. We do things like give fulmer a $6 million parachute when nobody wanted the guy and nobody even gave him a sniff after he was let go. He wasn't in demand. We gave him a contract that came with an automatic extension for 8 wins at a time when he was getting abused by our rivals.

We fired mike hamilton and gave him a $1 million buyout and tickets for life for overseeing the downfall of our athletic department.

Monte kiffin collected a longevity bonus days before leaving ut.

We let lane kiffin wreck our football program.

We wrote in bonuses for making the nit for cuonzo.

We hired derek dooley and then ran off the one guy who tried to stop it.

We twisted in the wind for months while our name was dragged thru the mud on this title 9 deal while disgruntled former employees helped to assist in our public flogging.

We cowered in front of the ncaa at the beginning of this decade when they came to dig on our former football coach and ended up show causing the best basketball coach most will ever see over on the hill.

We led bruce pearl to slaughter in that meeting with the ncaa. We did not protect him even though legal knew he was walking into a trap.

We hired donnie tyndall a few months before he went under ncaa investigation.

We put donna thomas in charge of our hall of fame and she was embarrassingly inept. We reward her by putting her on the ad search committee.

We let mike white embarrass us by toying with us.

We let charlie strong back out on us.

Will muschamp turned us down while he was a coordinator looking for a first time head coaching job.

All of the above is why we need a strong athletic director and not a single one of those things have to do with facilities or money. We need a leader who wants to win and will do what is necessary for this university to get back on top.

Everything has to point towards winning. Not facility upgrades or money. Winning comes first. Everything else benefits from it.

🤢

 

[Rishvol]

So what was Dobbs and Malone's combine size?

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[MockingVol]

Or maybe you forgot it's a message board and when I state "this hire sucks" it should be taken for granted that it's my opinion.

It won't be fact for a couple years when we are still swimming in the shallow end with our floaties on.

But facts can also be stated on message boards. Opinions always have to have qualifiers attached to them signifying them as such or they are being stated as fact.

You have used no qualifiers, but you have constantly blown up on people that suggest to take a wait and see approach.

You can try to slide by saying you've been stating this as opinion, but we both know that isn't true. Or, you just don't understand the concept of opinions which is fine I guess.

 

[Bassmaster_Vol]

I feel like some of you don’t understand what an AD does, and it seems like willful ignorance to me – or at the very least, dramatically oversimplifying it to serve your argument.

In Currie’s time at K State, their yearly revenue has increased from about $50M per year (in 2010) to $85M per year (in 2016). Also in that time, their yearly expenses increased from $40M per year to $75M per year. Source. He knows how to make the money, and he invests it right back into the program.

Do you want the best facilities in the SEC? Because that’s how you get the best facilities in the SEC. No, they aren’t “good enough already”. Sports science is a constantly-evolving industry, and UT must keep up if they want to be relevant in college athletics. Do you want one of the biggest recruiting budgets in the nation? You make the money, then you spend it. Do you want the best coaches? You’d better be able to afford them.

This isn’t a “Currie is the best AD ever!” post. Are there issues? Sure. I’m not crazy about hiring a guy who is reportedly so divisive. And he doesn’t have a long track record with regards to coaching hires for football and basketball. But making enough money to afford the best is a very good start. You can fail with a solid foundation, but you can't succeed without one.

He's clearly good at financing. Just don't meddle in the coach's jobs and especially not recruiting. Let them do their job. Be a resource, not a micromanager. If Butch fails, and I really don't think he will, hire Whittingham and be done.

 

[Bassmaster_Vol]

this dude is such a stickler for ncaa compliance he had a big hand in hiring lane kiffin and bruce pearl........

😂

 

[Catbone]

nah, he needs cats. He seems more like a cat person to me.

😘

 

[BruinVol]

Not facts. Opinion. The one time we happen to share one.

If you want me to bite, fine: Show me one shred of evidence that Barnes' players quit on him or were tired of his BS. You've got nothing, and you know it.

In Barnes' last year at Texas, they finished the season 5-5, yes. Their 5 losses were all to ranked teams by a combined 24 points. That's fewer than 5 ppg. Choke on those facts, because that doesn't sound to me like a team that has quit on their coach. Also, they won 3 of their last 4, while again not quitting.

Barnes last 8 years at Texas

5-5
4-6
5-5
5-5
5-5
5-5
6-4
6-4


We hired a coach that has won a lot of games but his teams can't close out years. My opinion is because of his coaching style but that really doesn't matter.
All that matters is we hired a coach that teams falter at the end of the year.

 

[LynxVol]

🤢

Yea, if you think we "let" Strong back out on us, you don't know the whole story.

 

[BruinVol]

He's clearly good at financing. Just don't meddle in the coach's jobs and especially not recruiting. Let them do their job. Be a resource, not a micromanager. If Butch fails, and I really don't think he will, hire Whittingham and be done.

You don't think Currie should have gotten involved with recruiting when Martin was wiring money to a prospect?

 

[BigZiti09]

Yea, if you think we "let" Strong back out on us, you don't know the whole story.

We got played and embarrassed.

 

[Mike4Vols]

Holy cow. So many opinions from people with so little knowledge.

I don't trust the interview from the K State beat writer. The beat writers and the interviewers seemed to have an agenda.

He's the AD --- just like Trump is our president. Suck it up and support them. Or don't. Either way, you have no say in the matter. None. Zero.

Let's talk about the quarterback offers or the position competition this spring. But this horse is dead. Time to move on.

 

[Bassmaster_Vol]

Yea, if you think we "let" Strong back out on us, you don't know the whole story.

I'm actually happy we didn't get Strong or Muschamp fwiw

 

[BruinVol]

Does Currie get any credit for working under Dickey?

All I see it because he worked under Hammy he must suck. Do we know realize that Dickey hired him?

 

[Bassmaster_Vol]

You don't think Currie should have gotten involved with recruiting when Martin was wiring money to a prospect?

That is different than meddling. He caught them cheating, has to do what he has to do. But according to the KState beat writer, even the coaches he hired are glad he is gone because he was "too involved" in their eyes. That's meddling.

 

[Ulysees E. McGill]

One break at work and I check twitter.

So far, I've seen people with some variation of VFL, Orange, Vol, Vols, etc in their handles call John Currie "Judas" (I'm not sure why), a "steaming pile of s**t", and take shots at him and his daughters when he posted a picture with them.

We seriously need to corral these freaks.

Yeah..that's a little over the line. I do think he is a hired stooge, but steaming pile of **** is over the line. Especially when a guy is posting family pics.

 

[Bassmaster_Vol]

Holy cow. So many opinions from people with so little knowledge.

I don't trust the interview from the K State beat writer. The beat writers and the interviewers seemed to have an agenda.

He's the AD --- just like Trump is our president. Suck it up and support them. Or don't. Either way, you have no say in the matter. None. Zero.

Let's talk about the quarterback offers or the position competition this spring. But this horse is dead. Time to move on.

I agree, I hope for the best, but the things that have come out have me nervous. I wonder if Bev knows how much a lot of UT fans hate her today 😂

 

[JCLawyerVol]

I wonder how an AD can be held to the standard to "make winning the biggest priority" and simultaneously be "too involved" or "meddling" with the programs.

 

[pierce60]

Why are so many so emotionally invested (and I consider repeated posts arguing for/against the AD hire to be emotionally invested) in something they have extremely little control over?

Like UT sports or don't. It's not life or death, it's sports.

 

[drvenner]

I would say that this will be my last comment on the AD search, but it likely will not be. I find it interesting that Davenport only interviewed one candidate and hired him. Why would she not have personally interviewed the other candidates if she was truly interested in finding the best person for the job?