Azzanni Departing to NFL

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T.J. Weist would be near-classic Butch.

Not hiring a guy that he is necessarily familiar with, but hire a buddy of your new OC.
 
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JVol76 said:
Good God man give it a rest. Azzani and Bajakian might not be the worst coaches ever but there is plenty of evidence that says they aren't as great as you make them out to be either. Hell Derek freakin' Dooley is an NFL coach and he sucks regardless of what anybody has to say about it. It's not all on Azzani but these receivers didn't improve with him coaching them and it's as plain as day if you'll open your eyes. Instead of defending him be glad he's gone and an opportunity has opened to actually get someone in here that will improve the play of the wr position.
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I never made them out to be great. I'm just pointing out the fact that most of our football knowledge gods here made them out to be the worst staff in America and that is not the case. I hope we can upgrade as well and I trust CBJ to do just that. Let's get off the coaching staffs backs. Lord knows some on here have had an agenda day 1 to belittle them.
 
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05_never_again said:
Right, definitely not the first, but most coaches who do that limit their potential.

By definition, if you only look at your buddies or people you've worked with before, you are reducing your chances of finding the best guy for the job because you limit the pool at the outset. There is definitely something to be said for familiarity, but when you only hire guys you know or guys you can control I don't think you wind up with the best staff.
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Think your talent as a coach has a lot to do with it.
Saban has no problem running his defense, and on the opposite end of the spectrum, Vanderbilt actually improved after Mason did the same.

But we will just have to agree to disagree on the "Buddies" thing.
Volnation has widened the net so that him talking to other coaches or meeting them at coaching conferences or basically ever having bumped into them before, makes them his buddies.

If you become friends with someone because you met them and discuss coaching, that is far different from "hey I grew up with this guy"

Let's just be honest, the question has been changed to fit the answer that the VN already decided is correct.
 
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CeJayVols said:
I believe Dameyune Craig is available. Last coached WR's at LSU. Great recruiter!!!
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Didn't he get fired there because he was so difficult to work with? Don't think AU even wants him back!
Azzanni must have really wanted out...moving to Chicago! YUK
 
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CountVolcula said:
His contract was up also

He had advanced notice that it wasn't going to be renewed, just like Mahoney
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I did not realize that. You may be correct with how it went down and I don't dispute that may be the case however coach z did upgrade his position by being "let go". He can't be a terrible coach and accomplish this.
 
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05_never_again said:
Butch isn't a defensive guy, so he's more willing to hire good, qualified people who he hasn't worked with before on that side of the ball.

The offensive side of the ball is his domain, and he has a well-documented habit of only hiring buddies, people he has worked with before, or cast-off guys (like Canales) even if there appear to be more well-qualified people available. He wants people under him who are going to do what he says.
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So how does Scott fit into that pet theory?
 
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chargervol said:
Think your talent as a coach has a lot to do with it.
Saban has no problem running his defense, and on the opposite end of the spectrum, Vanderbilt actually improved after Mason did the same.

But we will just have to agree to disagree on the "Buddies" thing.
Volnation has widened the net so that him talking to other coaches or meeting them at coaching conferences or basically ever having bumped into them before, makes them his buddies.

If you become friends with someone because you met them and discuss coaching, that is far different from "hey I grew up with this guy"

Let's just be honest, the question has been changed to fit the answer that the VN already decided is correct.
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I don't see it as a widening of the net. The VN consensus appears to be that Butch doesn't necessarily hire the most qualified guy available; he hires people he can (or thinks he can) control.

This can take many forms - hiring personal friends of his (DeBord), hiring guys he has worked with before (Azzanni and Stripling), hiring guys without a lot of experience at their position (Scott) or hiring guys with a dearth of other opportunities (DeBord and Canales).
 
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Volunteer08 said:
I believe this would be a good time to poach a younger up and coming coach. WRs are in good shape for next year. I'd get a good recruiter at a smaller program in a region with fertile recruiting and give him a shot.
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Not sure how good of shape our WR position is for 2017. Here's what we return this year....

JJ- 40 receptions-580 yards-7 tds

Smith- 13-97-1 (oft injured, less than 100 yds as a RSJr)

Byrd- 15-209-0 (is he returning as WR or moving to DB)

Johnson- 7-93-0

George - 1-20-0

Callaway- 1-13-0

Williams- 0-0-0 (redshirted)


So, there's talent and potential in the group, but to what degree? We don't know.

Is JJ a true #1? Can Smith stay healthy and put together his most productive season? Will Byrd, our second most productive returning WR even be in the WR corps? Who else steps up? Who's gonna stretch the defense like Malone did last year? How much will the first time starting qb hurt their development?

A whole lot more questions than answers imo.
 
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mrmax86 said:
What about Jeff Faris?

  • He's the current Wide Receivers Coach at Duke, since 2014
  • Knoxville Native
  • Young Up-and-comer
  • He was the #79 recruiter in 2017 class (Azzanni was #87).
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Best name I've seen so far.
 
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butchna said:
So how does Scott fit into that pet theory?
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Scott is a pretty inexperienced guy. His only OC experience was as a co-OC at Sebring High School for a year.

This can take many forms - hiring personal friends of his (DeBord), hiring guys he has worked with before (Azzanni and Stripling), hiring guys without a lot of experience at their position (Scott) or hiring guys with a dearth of other opportunities (DeBord and Canales).
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chargervol said:
Think your talent as a coach has a lot to do with it.
Saban has no problem running his defense, and on the opposite end of the spectrum, Vanderbilt actually improved after Mason did the same.

But we will just have to agree to disagree on the "Buddies" thing.
Volnation has widened the net so that him talking to other coaches or meeting them at coaching conferences or basically ever having bumped into them before, makes them his buddies.

If you become friends with someone because you met them and discuss coaching, that is far different from "hey I grew up with this guy"

Let's just be honest, the question has been changed to fit the answer that the VN already decided is correct.
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some truth here. and i think i'd be more upset at this point if Scott wasn't involved in the decision...ultimatley of course CBJ should, and will, have the final say. but it shouldn't be unilaterally "because i said so", which i don't think will happen. CBJ may make the list....but i can't believe that if Scott came up and said "hey, i really like coach xyz, and he's the guy i think is the best fit", that CBJ would balk at that and simply hire someone because he knows him.

i think with as much transition as we've experienced, not that this is the only factor, but bringing someone in you are comfortable with, in addition to them being a good coach/recruiter, is probably going to be important to both CBJ and CLS.
 
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05_never_again said:
I don't see it as a widening of the net. The VN consensus appears to be that Butch doesn't necessarily hire the most qualified guy available; he hires people he can (or thinks he can) control.

This can take many forms - hiring personal friends of his (DeBord), hiring guys he has worked with before (Azzanni and Stripling), hiring guys without a lot of experience at their position (Scott) or hiring guys with a dearth of other opportunities (DeBord and Canales).
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We're getting into semantics.
I agree that Jones is going to hire someone who runs his system.

But there is a difference between someone who will do that and just being your buddy.

You're making a great case for the system part, but absolutely no case for the buddy part. And that is the VN myth.
 
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chargervol said:
We're getting into semantics.
I agree that Jones is going to hire someone who runs his system.

But there is a difference between someone who will do that and just being your buddy.

You're making a great case for the system part, but absolutely no case for the buddy part. And that is the VN myth.
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I'm making a case for the "bring in guys you can control" part, which is what people on here are saying. The buddy aspect is one part of it.
 
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05_never_again said:
I don't see it as a widening of the net. The VN consensus appears to be that Butch doesn't necessarily hire the most qualified guy available; he hires people he can (or thinks he can) control.

This can take many forms - hiring personal friends of his (DeBord), hiring guys he has worked with before (Azzanni and Stripling), hiring guys without a lot of experience at their position (Scott) or hiring guys with a dearth of other opportunities (DeBord and Canales).
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most coaches do this. with a few notable exceptions, most coaches tend to "run home to mama" vs. looking for a foster family. Saban even follows similarly. defensively he's more involved, and tends to hire guys that "fit" more with his overall philosophy, on offense, he's shown the willingness to get out of his comfort zone....a lot actually.:p

point being, it in and of itself doesn't mean it's necessarily good or bad. on defense, he's shown to be wide open on hiring...on offense, he keeps it closer to home, which is his wheel house, and not necessarily unexpected, or "bad". for all intents and purposes, Deboard wasn't awful. and the offensive coaches we didn't like, they're gone and being replaced. so the real question is, can he/has he/will he make good hires, regardless of the name? we get excited about some of the names we see floating around cause we know the name. i have no idea who Mike Canales is, except a guy that's coached at like 30 schools. am i skeptical? yep. were there other candidates i'd of rather had? yep.

doesn't mean he's going to be a failure. the failure will be CBJ's ability to find and hire quality coaches/recruiters.

so, we'll see if they do indeed provided the necessary fixes we all seem to agree that were needed.
 
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05_never_again said:
I'm making a case for the "bring in guys you can control" part, which is what people on here are saying. The buddy aspect is one part of it.
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He's the head coach, I hope he can control all of his guys.

But yes, if you know someone that will do the job the way you want it done, many people hire that way.

I remodel homes after leaving my previous career. I often hire subcontractors that I have worked with before or that will do as I ask.
 
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Maybe hire up and coming coach..Duke coach...then whatever happened to Welker on staff in some capacity?
 
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05_never_again said:
Scott is a pretty inexperienced guy. His only OC experience was as a co-OC at Sebring High School for a year.
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When he HIRED Scott last year, he was an experienced TE coach with no personal ties with Butch. "Only" doesn't only mean that, huh?
 
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Through_The_T said:
I'm not exactly upset at this move. We've had a lot of talent at WR the past few seasons, and not a ton of production. I think there is potential to upgrade that spot.
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Have to get a big time recruiter to replace him, TN's best recruiter just walked out the door. Everybody jumping ship, that's 5 now not counting support staff, right?

There is one BIG name that hasn't landed yet.
 
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