How important is an AD anyway?

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Dudleys87 said:
I'm so sick of this.


Strong was in over his head
The boosters don't control the product you put on the field
He dropped a game to a basketball school

He may kill it there because frankly that's the pressure he can handle at HC.
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Oh my the world must be ending - I actually agree with you on something.
 
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like alot of organizations the tone is set at the top. An AD who expects excellence or mediocrity will get what those goals give them. Take Holly for example does anyone not think she should be fired? The AD takes that responsibility. They know when to ride the horse or get off.
 
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dduncan4163 said:
Was Kelly ever really an option after Kiffin left?
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If I recall correctly, Brian Kelly was offered the job before Kiffin, but declined our offer and accepted offer from Norte Dame. I am assume your are not reffering to Chip Kelly, but I could use a good chuckle.
 
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Dudleys87 said:
I'm so sick of this.


Strong was in over his head
The boosters don't control the product you put on the field
He dropped a game to a basketball school

He may kill it there because frankly that's the pressure he can handle at HC.
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Overrated.. every resource at TX.. he is not elite
 
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Based on the decisions made by Hamilton and Hart which has led to the repeated failings on the field and court along with sinking the program into some serious financial difficulties, I'd say an AD is very important.

And how is UT responding to that?

They are very likely hiring the guy who backed Hamilton as AD, ran the football program into the ditch the first time around, resided over one off field crisis after another as head football coach in the 90's and 2000's as summarized in Adams' article the other day, said 8 wins is enough at Tennessee, said the school was nothing but brick and mortar after he couldn't even manage his self imposed 8 win floor and got fired, spent most of the past decade out of any day to day activities related to collegiate athletics, and has no viable administrative experience other than "consulting" for ETSU.

Oh yeah, his biggest claim to fame on the football field is a Clint Stoerner fumble.

Making the right hire at AD is very important and it looks like they are about to get it very wrong. Again.
 
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secking said:
Answer? The true decision on having an average, good, or great athletic department. Yes, the admin overall has to 'buy in' but a great AD knows how to work the channels (Admin,Alum/Boosters,Staff) to get what they need. A great AD can also persuade the best coaches to come and with a good deal for the University.

Recent hires-was the right hire made?
Butch instead of Gundy, Strong, Cut, and Gruden.

Dooley instead of Sumlin, Kelly, and Cutt.
Cutt was offered the job but couldn't bring his coaches, wanted to keep some coaches instead of paying their buyout (enter DD).

I still think Cutcliffe would have won, and won big as HC. Not flashy and I understand that but Tn won at a very high level with him, dropped without him, then went back up on his 2nd trip. OM fans still miss him, he won at OM (the right way).

Good news is DB has overseen some of UTC's biggest success. Football is doing better than I can remember. It's been decades since they were good. Maintained high UTC bball teams (women and men) and kept UTC's wrestling teams with opportunities to remain a top team in the country. He "gets it".

Two hires above, who would you have picked?
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Quite honestly, all those you mentioned are Plan B options. My first move in either scenario, but preferably instead of ever calling Lane Kiffin, is to fly to Boise and make a hard core offer to Chris Petersen. And assuming Bruce still has to be let go, I am flying to Wichita to get Gregg Marshall.

I would not have to worry about Lady Vols. I leave Cronin in place to make those calls. Thought I would throw that in before someone asked who replaces Holly.
 
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Nocleats said:
Just my opinion, but
These and other coaches were offered and said NO. There were other big names offered who said no as well.
Remember Tenn was in a Money pinch so they did not have the blank check to write, paying off stupid Hamilton contracts and firings etc..
But even more was Jimmy Cheeks admission policies that had, have coaches playing on an unlevel field. Players who meet NCAA and SEC minimum standards but weren't allowed into TN, but immediately allowed into Oklahoma, and North Carolina for example, but Cheek wouldn't even allow exceptions like EVERY other single team in the SEC.. The SEC is hard, and impossible to win with restrictions that others don't face.. Coaches said no for a reason...
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I think you are hitting the nail squarely on the hear. I seem to remember, when Cheek was hired, it was to raise UT's academic standard to a much higher standard. Last year at an indoctrination "class" for incoming family of students the staff kept hammering away at the high gpa that the school has accomplished. We also hear how "smart" our athletics are becoming. Hope both smart people and excellent athletics can be possible. However, it seems to me a lot of our athletics are still way behind in the smart department.
 
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savannahfan said:
I think you are hitting the nail squarely on the hear. I seem to remember, when Cheek was hired, it was to raise UT's academic standard to a much higher standard. Last year at an indoctrination "class" for incoming family of students the staff kept hammering away at the high gpa that the school has accomplished. We also hear how "smart" our athletics are becoming. Hope both smart people and excellent athletics can be possible. However, it seems to me a lot of our athletics are still way behind in the smart department.
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Anytime Tennessee can identify a Josh Dobbs type, they are going all in on them. If they could attract full recruiting classes of Rhodes scholars of high 3 stars and a few 4 stars, following recruiting might be less of a yearly saga.

The problem is there might be around 25 of those type guys every year nationwide, and we won't get all of them. So, Tennessee will do the next best thing; get enough scholars on the team so they can spin academic excellence (many of them walk ons), and hope the dumb guys can run a 4.0 40 and pass underwater basket weaving and X-Box 4501.
 
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volfan102455 said:
The football coach that had the successful run at UTC was NOT hired by DB. That coach was already there when DB took over. DB did not fire him when he was hired even though he was not setting the world on fire. Letting him get away however may end up being a big mistake though.

Edited to add: Huseman was hired in 2009. DB took over as AD in 2013.

UTC Football records from 2009 - 2016:

6-5
6-5
5-6
6-5
8-4 (2013)
10-4
9-4
9-4
9-4

UTC has won their conference 3 out of the last 4 years - but I would contend that is directly related to Appy State leaving the conference than anything else.
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Compare Huesman's record before and after DB got there. I'll do it for you......Pre-DB : 23-21 (.523) Post-DB : 45-20 (.692). Are you saying it's just a coincidence and Blackburn had little/nothing to do with the drastic improvement?
 
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JonGrudensAgent said:
Based on the decisions made by Hamilton and Hart which has led to the repeated failings on the field and court along with sinking the program into some serious financial difficulties, I'd say an AD is very important.

And how is UT responding to that?

They are very likely hiring the guy who backed Hamilton as AD, ran the football program into the ditch the first time around, resided over one off field crisis after another as head football coach in the 90's and 2000's as summarized in Adams' article the other day, said 8 wins is enough at Tennessee, said the school was nothing but brick and mortar after he couldn't even manage his self imposed 8 win floor and got fired, spent most of the past decade out of any day to day activities related to collegiate athletics, and has no viable administrative experience other than "consulting" for ETSU.

Oh yeah, his biggest claim to fame on the football field is a Clint Stoerner fumble.

Making the right hire at AD is very important and it looks like they are about to get it very wrong. Again.
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oversimplify much? i'm not going to go back and re hash Fulmer's career here, but i think you're a little overzealous in your attempt here.

and no, i don't want Fulmer as the AD.
 
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jakez4ut said:
oversimplify much? i'm not going to go back and re hash Fulmer's career here, but i think you're a little overzealous in your attempt here.

and no, i don't want Fulmer as the AD.
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If that fumble never happens, what is his claim to fame?

A point system for grading what team has the most felons?

Not doing more with one of the best qb's all time?

Beating Florida 5 times in 17 years?

Winning 1 SEC championship?
 
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VOLINVONORE said:
What is the world are you talking about? Do you actually think that the University did not try to hire “big named” coaches? Do you not know how many coaches flat turned down Tennessee’s offers? One does not just go out and say, I want you to come coach my football or basketball team and they say well, your school was not really what I was looking for, but because you asked, I will be your coach.I wonder why we don’t call Saba and say, hey, you have been at Mama too long. You have to come and coach at Tennessee. The same thing applies to football and all other recruits. I suspect you do really understand how it really works, but you like to stir the pot at the expense of our athletic programs.
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Patterson wanted to come here, Hammy told him to hold on that he wasn't the first choice. Well you know the rest of the story.
 
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joeslow said:
If that fumble never happens, what is his claim to fame?

A point system for grading what team has the most felons?

Not doing more with one of the best qb's all time?

Beating Florida 5 times in 17 years?

Winning 1 SEC championship?
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you and both know this could go back and forth all day long. totally not worth it. and i'm not a huge fulmer defender either, but to say yours and the other post is completely one sided, and short sighted at that, is not really stretching out all that far.

bottom line, i'm not one for Fulmer as AD, but no way i'm getting sucked in this black hole.
 
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joeslow said:
If that fumble never happens, what is his claim to fame?

A point system for grading what team has the most felons?

Not doing more with one of the best qb's all time?

Beating Florida 5 times in 17 years?

Winning 1 SEC championship?
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18 posts in nearly 4 years....post less.
 
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joeslow said:
If that fumble never happens, what is his claim to fame?

A point system for grading what team has the most felons?

Not doing more with one of the best qb's all time?

Beating Florida 5 times in 17 years?

Winning 1 SEC championship?
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Inappropriate meetings at Shoney's.
 
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After Fulmer was fired in 2008, I thought UT should have named Kippy Brown interim head coach for the 2009 season while looking at long term possibilities such as Patterson, Kelly, Sumlin, etc.

In basketball, I think Dickey looked at Roy Williams to head up the basketball program before Williams suggested Jerry Green. After Pearl was terminated, I think Hamilton interviewed Greg Marshall and a few other coaches before hiring Martin. I think Bob Huggins expressed interest in the UT job before going to West Virginia.
 
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I would have picked Cutty over Dooley, but Butch is head over heals the better choice of the other batch! Good job, Mr. Hart! :good!:
 
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KBVol said:
Compare Huesman's record before and after DB got there. I'll do it for you......Pre-DB : 23-21 (.523) Post-DB : 45-20 (.692). Are you saying it's just a coincidence and Blackburn had little/nothing to do with the drastic improvement?
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If Blackburn convinced Appy State to leave the conference then yes he influenced it. If not, then it more the result of the competition in the conference getting weaker.

Bottom line is that he took over about the time that ASU was moving out and moving up.
 
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jakez4ut said:
you and both know this could go back and forth all day long. totally not worth it. and i'm not a huge fulmer defender either, but to say yours and the other post is completely one sided, and short sighted at that, is not really stretching out all that far.

bottom line, i'm not one for Fulmer as AD, but no way i'm getting sucked in this black hole.
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I am not looking for an endless debate either on the issue but the one thing Fulmer consistently gets lauded for on here( and rightly so, I'll give the man his due for winning it) is winning the '98 title.

You take that fumble away and it very likely doesn't happen.

A 1 loss TN team wouldn't get the nod over a 1 loss Ohio ST team to face FSU.

So we will agree to disagree, it isn't short sided or one sided.
 
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joeslow said:
If that fumble never happens, what is his claim to fame?

A point system for grading what team has the most felons?

Not doing more with one of the best qb's all time?

Beating Florida 5 times in 17 years?

Winning 1 SEC championship?
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Why is CPF good fortune held aginst him. He had several teams capable of a natty and had bad luck. No team wins a natty without some good luck. I am not saying he is the best coach ever. He was very good, all things considered. Recruiting is just as important as developing players.
 
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The AD is critical if you want successful altheletics. Our gap/lame duck situation is not a problem in the short term. For the long term we need a great one. Imagine the donations AL gets for academics based on football alone.
We need to be able to hire winning coaches and avoid the Dooley busts. Hiring is the most important function of any manager. You can't afford bad employees. Doesn't matter if it is the CEO of janitor.
 
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JonGrudensAgent said:
I am not looking for an endless debate either on the issue but the one thing Fulmer consistently gets lauded for on here( and rightly so, I'll give the man his due for winning it) is winning the '98 title.

You take that fumble away and it very likely doesn't happen.

A 1 loss TN team wouldn't get the nod over a 1 loss Ohio ST team to face FSU.

So we will agree to disagree, it isn't short sided or one sided.
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20 years later lets devalue an undefeated, national title season. Riiiiiight.
 
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I can't believe after what ut football has gone through the past 7 or 8 years anyone would have enough time to bash Phil fulmer. I hope we can call butch a lucky "13-0" anytime soon. I remember complaining about those 10 and 11 win seasons and feel like idiot now for not saying "thanks coach " every year
 
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