Flynn Resigns Amid Russia Controversy

[lawgator1]

Truth. Trump mentioned wikiLeaks 164 times during the campaign (per thinkprogress.org) and during every Presidential debate. He chided the media for not covering their releases enough and said that we should be focused on the content of the leaks and not on how they were obtained... in other words, the ends justified the means (as long as it helped his cause).

100 percent correct.

I wonder what the Agent Orange defenders are going to have to say about this.

Leaks are good ! (If they help us)

Leaks are bad ! (If they hurt us)

That pretty much sums up Trump on the issue.

 

[VolStrom]

100 percent correct.

I wonder what the Agent Orange defenders are going to have to say about this.

Leaks are good ! (If they help us)

Leaks are bad ! (If they hurt us)

That pretty much sums up Trump on the issue.

I'll say this about it. Some Obama sympathizer is still on the staff that has an ear and a big mouth.

Treason is punishable by death.

 

[hog88]

100 percent correct.

I wonder what the Agent Orange defenders are going to have to say about this.

Leaks are good ! (If they help us)

Leaks are bad ! (If they hurt us)

That pretty much sums up Trump on the issue.

All seriousness LG. Do you find it troubling in the least that a member of an incoming presidential administration had his phone taped and that the results of that tap were leaked? Especially considering no crime was committed.

 

[carlos86]

A warrant was issued to tap the phones of a member of an incoming administration? Please tell me you see the problem with that?

This was before the election. Around the time that Ukrainian intelligence found a ledger with Paul Manafort's name in it along with his name and the number $12.5 million next to it and after Carter Page was seen in Moscaw meeting with Igor Diveykin and Igor Sechin. The FBI asked the FISA Court for 4-5 warrants for members of Trump's campaign.

 

[hog88]

This was before the election. Around the time that Ukrainian intelligence found a ledger with Paul Manafort name in it with his name and the number $12.5 million next to it and around after Carter Page was seen in Moscaw meeting with Igor Diveykin and Igor Sechin. The FBI asked the FISA Court for 4-5 warrants for members of Trump's campaign.

The calls were in Dec or Jan, how long are these warrants good for? Are they indefinite?

 

[carlos86]

The calls were in Dec or Jan, how long are these warrants good for? Are they indefinite?

The FBI began gathering evidence to present to the FISA Court in May. The The first request for warrants were denied in June. They came back in October and they were granted. One of the warrants issued was also a metadata warrant that allowed FBI Counter Intelligence to look at a server in Trump tower that was believed to have information linked to 2 Russian banks (SVB Bank and Alfa Bank). The Judge that granted the warrants was Dennis Saylor, a Federal Judge appointed by George W. Bush to sit on the United States District Court for the District of Massachusetts. He was appointed to the FISA Court by Chief Justice John Roberts.

 

[Sin City Vol]

A warrant was issued to tap the phones of a member of an incoming administration? Please tell me you see the problem with that?

I don't believe any leak coming out of the WH or any US Govt entity is good...BUT he really pushed the Wikileaks issue and it really played a part in him winning the election. As long as the leaks don't effect national security, I guess what comes around goes around

 

[Mick]

I don't believe any leak coming out of the WH or any US Govt entity is good...BUT he really pushed the Wikileaks issue and it really played a part in him winning the election. As long as the leaks don't effect national security, I guess what comes around goes around

The FBI didn't hurt him either by coming out a week before the election with the "smoking gun" of more emails. He used that to his advantage also.

 

[Sin City Vol]

The FBI didn't hurt him either by coming out a week before the election with the "smoking gun" of more emails. He used that to his advantage also.

True and that's just good politics. I don't any of this will ever really affect him until it affects the Trump business empire. He could play it safe for 4-years, grease some wheels and then make his company even more money with all the "inside" connections he'll make

 

[lawgator1]

All seriousness LG. Do you find it troubling in the least that a member of an incoming presidential administration had his phone taped and that the results of that tap were leaked? Especially considering no crime was committed.

Depends on who did it, why, and on what authority.

Carlos is posting some incredible info on this. This story is rapidly escalating in seriousness. Especially if there are direct Russian links to Trump.

I think we should all take a deep breath and see how this turns out.

 

[carlos86]

The FBI said they sought FISA warrants because "The warrant was sought, they say, because actionable intelligence on the matter provided by friendly foreign agencies could not properly be examined without a warrant by US intelligence as it involves ‘US Persons’ who come under the remit of the FBI and not the CIA."

"the FISA warrant was allegedly granted in part because of the involvement of Vladimir Putin’s own daughters. One is married to a senior official at Gazprom, where Carter Page and Paul Manafort reportedly have holdings; another to Kirill Shamalov, a banking official."

 

[hog88]

I don't believe any leak coming out of the WH or any US Govt entity is good...BUT he really pushed the Wikileaks issue and it really played a part in him winning the election. As long as the leaks don't effect national security, I guess what comes around goes around

I have a serious problem with a sitting administration basically spying on candidates and especially an incoming administration. If you don't think this will be repaid in spades and become a trend I have news for you, you're wrong.

Our politicians and political parties should be smart enough to insulate themselves from a foreign entity comprising their systems and be honest enough that if compromised there isn't incriminating information there to find. It's a damn dangerous precedent now that our government is in the business of manipulating politicians through espionage.

 

[PKT_VOL]

The FBI said they sought FISA warrants because "The warrant was sought, they say, because actionable intelligence on the matter provided by friendly foreign agencies could not properly be examined without a warrant by US intelligence as it involves ‘US Persons’ who come under the remit of the FBI and not the CIA."

"the FISA warrant was allegedly granted in part because of the involvement of Vladimir Putin’s own daughters. One is married to a senior official at Gazprom, where Carter Page and Paul Manafort reportedly have holdings; another to Kirill Shamalov, a banking official."

If true, does this change your mind, Hog?

 

[carlos86]

Trump Campaign Aides Had Repeated Contacts With Russian Intelligence

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/02/14/...prod=nytcore-iphone&smid=nytcore-iphone-share

 

[hog88]

If true, does this change your mind, Hog?

No.

 

[Mick]

I have a serious problem with a sitting administration basically spying on candidates and especially an incoming administration. If you don't think this will be repaid in spades and become a trend I have news for you, you're wrong.

Our politicians and political parties should be smart enough to insulate themselves from a foreign entity comprising their systems and be honest enough that if compromised there isn't incriminating information there to find. It's a damn dangerous precedent now that our government is in the business of manipulating politicians through espionage.

Why are you acting like it has never happened?

Authorized by the National Security Act of 1947, the FBI began counterintelligence operations to prevent sensitive information from falling into the hands of enemies of the nation. The bureau collected political and military information...The FBI formed “COINTELPRO" (an acronym for counterintelligence services) to "neutralize" political dissidents in the United States between 1956 and 1971. Convinced that such radical social groups were a cover for communist-front organizations, Hoover used COINTELPRO at least 2,000 times to “neutralize" civil-rights, antiwar, and numerous other groups. When COINTELPRO was exposed in 1971, the bureau discontinued its operations.

FBI

 

[Franklin Pierce]

Make no mistake, we have just witnessed an operation by members of the CIA to take out a high official of our own government. An agency that is widely believed to have brought down democratically elected governments overseas is now practicing the same dark arts in domestic American politics. Almost certainly, its new head Mike Pompeo was not consulted.

Senator Chuck Schumer, of all people, laid out on January 2nd what was going to happen to the Trump administration if it dared take on the deep state – the permanent bureaucracy that has contempt for the will of the voters and feels entitled to run the government for its own benefit:
“Let me tell you, you take on the intelligence community, they have six ways from Sunday at getting back at you,” Schumer told MSNBC's Rachel Maddow.

Or, as the old rueful saying has it, “You’ve got to go along to get along.” Which means that we the people had better acknowledge that the bureaucrats have turned into our masters, and the old expression “public servant” is as ironic as anything Orwell came up with. Schumer knows this and likes it, because the deep state wants a bigger more powerful government, just as he does.

Note that the law was broken by whoever leaked the transcripts to the media. Not only is the crime underlying the "scandal" being ignored, the criminals are being hailed. On Morning Joe’s first hour today, the host, a former congressman (i.e., a lawmaker) himself, called the leakers “heroes.”

Blog: CIA broke the law to take out its critic General Flynn

 

[PKT_VOL]

No.

What do you propose happens in such a situation?

 

[Bjorn_Yesterday]

.

You don't see a problem with anything Flynn did?

 

[lawgator1]

The WH really trying to distance themselves from Flynn, as more and more emerges about how linked he was to Russia. But, NYT reporting that multiple Trump aides had connections to Russian intelligence for a year.

And now it emerges that Trump personally knew about Flynn and conversations with Russia for weeks, notwithstanding his OUTRIGHT LIE on Air Force One on Feb 10 that he knew nothing about it.

Getting worse. And will continue to do so. They are lying about it every hour.

 

[golfballs]

If Flynn was unfairly undermined by political enemies, what does that say about Trump that he fell for it?

You can't have it both ways. You can't be dismissive of the seriousness of what he did and simultaneously support Trump's reaction to it.

Ugh... trump asked for his resignation because he mislead them, not because Flynn was spied on and surreptitiously leaked to media...

The seriousness? If you voted for Hillary than you are instantly discredited in admonishing the seriousness of what Flynn did. Lol

 

[hog88]

What do you propose happens in such a situation?

I can live with the fact that they investigated the possibility of collusion between Trump and the Russian government or Trumps team and the Russian government. It's pretty apparent by now that nothing illegal was done by either.

The disturbing part of this story is the leaks done for one purpose and that purpose is to undermine the administration. This will escalate from new administration to new administration.

 

[Sin City Vol]

Ugh... trump asked for his resignation because he mislead them, not because Flynn was spied on and surreptitiously leaked to media...

The seriousness? If you voted for Hillary than you are instantly discredited in admonishing the seriousness of what Flynn did. Lol

He's known about this for a few weeks but didn't do anything until it got leaked to the media. Which basically says he didn't care that he mislead the WH. I would be Trump knew about it, now the world does and he's trying to cover his ass

 

[Mick]

The WH really trying to distance themselves from Flynn, as more and more emerges about how linked he was to Russia. But, NYT reporting that multiple Trump aides had connections to Russian intelligence for a year.

And now it emerges that Trump personally knew about Flynn and conversations with Russia for weeks, notwithstanding his OUTRIGHT LIE on Air Force One on Feb 10 that he knew nothing about it.

Getting worse. And will continue to do so. They are lying about it every hour.

Well in all fairness to Trump it was probably classified as top secret and he couldn't comment on it. That is as far as I will go on defending this administration's incompetence.

 

[golfballs]

He's known about this for a few weeks but didn't do anything until it got leaked to the media. Which basically says he didn't care that he mislead the WH. I would be Trump knew about it, now the world does and he's trying to cover his ass

It was clearly a PR move, unfortunately