TrumPutinGate

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carlos86 said:
Its better to just watch the CIA director deny his staff security clearances.
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I'm fine with it. The CIA needs to go away. And unlike volprof and his imaginary CIA contact, I have family in the CIA and can attest from my conversations with them that the CIA does not have America's best interests at heart, only the CIA's.
 
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newarkvol said:
What Does Vladimir Putin See in Donald Trump?https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/19/...region=span-abc-region&WT.nav=span-abc-region

Only a few salient quotes because.. you know reading IS hard.. ..conservative columnist Charles Krauthammer argued that Trump’s incendiary talk is an affront to elementary democratic decency and a breach of the boundaries of American political discourse.” “It takes decades, centuries, to develop ingrained norms of political restraint and self-control. But they can be undone in short order by a demagogue feeding a vengeful populism.

Norm Ornstein: I doubt they (Putin) thought he would win, but he would encourage or exacerbate divisions in the society, challenge many fundamental norms over his own narcissistic sociopathic views of himself and his entitlements, and break a lot of crockery without a second’s misgiving. His victories, with the GOP nomination and the election were unexpected icing on the cake.

Heather Conley- the director of the Europe Program at the Center for Strategic and International Studies (a center-right think tank):One of our conclusions was that the Kremlin seeks out political and economic forces which weaken the “West’s desirability, credibility and moral authority.” It does this to make Russia’s neighbors less interested in seeking to cooperate and integrate with Europe or the U.S., making them more dependent on Russia. It seeks to undermine NATO’s unity in the hopes of seeking a new grand bargain with the U.S. in which the U.S. will recognize Russia’s sphere of influence and will not interfere in its internal issues.
Against this backdrop, during the presidential campaign Mr. Trump was the only candidate that openly questioned America’s commitment to NATO and its commitment to defend the Baltic States. He was the only candidate who was not very critical of Russia’s actions in Ukraine and Syria and chose to reframe them in ways that were in sync with Russian policy. He has proposed a new relationship with Russia. In other words, based on Mr. Trump’s statements, his views appear to align with Russian interests.

Anne Applebaum Pulitzer prize winner:Gulag: A History:
“maybe we ought to abandon our obsession with ‘secrets’ and ‘spies’ and look at what is sitting in front of us.”
First, “Trump’s real estate empire relies, though we don’t know how much, on Russian money.”
Second, Applebaum writes, Paul Manafort, Trump’s former campaign manager, spent many years working on behalf of the thuggish Russian-backed Ukrainian president, Viktor Yanukovych, who eventually fled his own country. Manafort maintains links to pro-Russian groups in Ukraine. His name appeared on a list of people who took large chunks of cash from Yanukovych. He hasn’t gone away — in fact, he has lived in Trump Tower. Third, according to Applebaum, “Trump operatives at the convention altered the Republican Party platform” to eliminate a call to provide arms to Ukrainians who are resisting a Russian takeover.Fourth: Throughout the campaign, Trump unquestioningly repeated slogans and conspiracy theories — “Obama invented ISIS” and “Hillary will start World War III” — lifted from Sputnik, the Russian propaganda website. Finally, Applebaum argues as evidence of Trump’s pro-Russia tilt that Trump is willing to risk serious conflict with China, to destroy U.S. relations with Mexico, to dismiss America’s closest allies in Europe and to downgrade NATO, our most important military alliance.
All this provides the basis for Applebaum’s conclusion: Trump doesn’t have to be a Manchurian candidate who has been hypnotized or recruited by foreign intelligence. It’s enough that he has direct and indirect links to a profoundly corrupt and violent foreign dictator, whose policies he admires, whose advisers he shares and whose slogans he uses. That’s kompromat enough for me.


Gary Jacobson, a political scientist at the University of California, San Diego:His shameless mendacity, narcissism, authoritarian instincts, inability to tolerate opposition or criticism, hostility to formal institutions and the media, vast ignorance of foreign and domestic issues, indifference to constitutional restraints and eagerness to whip up and exploit xenophobia and (barely disguised) racism. We might add his affection for authoritarian leaders and other tough guys. Have I left anything out? Probably. All of these characteristics lead him to say things and propose actions antithetical to democratic norms and standards.
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This was an excellent, thorough summary of why there is legitimate smoke here.
 
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So how are things going on the National Security Council?

Good? That's what I thought.

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The President of the United States was conducting classified briefings and taking classified phones with the Prime Minister of Japan in the open. Yet people still think it's impossible for the Russians to have compromised him.
 

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carlos86 said:
The President of the United States was conducting classified briefings and taking classified phones with the Prime Minister of Japan in the open. Yet people still think it's impossible for the Russians to have compromised him.
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Doing your best stretch Armstrong imitation this morning?
 
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Funny watching snowflakes melt everyday but turn the other way when anything negative is mentioned of Queen Hillary.
 
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Velo Vol said:
So how are things going on the National Security Council?

Good? That's what I thought.

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The NSC is in shambles. The NSA is under FBI investigation and the President is holding classified meeting in a public space where people are using unsecured phones. Yea things can't get any better can they???
 
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carlos86 said:
The NSC is in shambles. The NSA is under FBI investigation and the President is holding classified meeting in a public space where people are using unsecured phones. Yea things can't get any better can they???
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1. How do you know the conversation was classified?

2. How do you know the phone wasn't secure?

And are you referencing this?

The FBI in late December reviewed intercepts of communications between the Russian ambassador to the United States and retired Lt. Gen. Michael T. Flynn — national security adviser to then-President-elect Trump — but has not found any evidence of wrongdoing or illicit ties to the Russian government, U.S. officials said.
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https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/fbi-reviewed-flynns-calls-with-russian-ambassador-but-found-nothing-illicit/2017/01/23/aa83879a-e1ae-11e6-a547-5fb9411d332c_story.html?utm_term=.16b9df4df788
 
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An interesting question is what's been happening in the weeks since the White House was informed of the suspicion regarding Flynn's call.

Apparently Pence didn't get the memo.
 
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Velo Vol said:
An interesting question is what's been happening in the weeks since the White House was informed of the suspicion regarding Flynn's call.

Apparently Pence didn't get the memo.
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It's about as interesting as hillarys private email server??
Don't you think? I've looked, haven't found your disdain or questioning of it on the forum....

Care to point it out??
 
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