Which SEC teams are in danger of losing 3 more games in 2017 than in 2016?

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volfannbama said:
Its not negative posting to say we don't have these key components, its simply reality. I'm doing much the same as you, rooting for the team and hoping we pull off a good number of wins. But its a simple fact that we are plugging guys in to replace some of the best players we have seen in a long time, and whoever we plug in has yet to prove anything. Maybe they are all the greatest every at their position. But right now it is simply not known.
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Understand, but I didn't say "negative posting". I said "negative posters saying".

The difference being, saying that we are missing those components is true and not being negative. But I know some of the names saying that, when we don't win 10 games, they'll come back and act shocked and po'ed about it.
Even though I agree they're giving legitimate reasons why it will not happen.
 
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Dudleys87 said:
We def have the talent to run them out of ATL I just hope everyone is back in time. They've said Tuttles injury is worse than his previous injury. Teams practice against the tech O for months and still have problems. We need to jump ahead and knock them out early



This is all true but it was way to close to comfort for me especially against inferior teams. We need to get back to dominating teams we should and challenging teams we have the ability to

If JG is the future the sky is the limit. I'm hoping he has a Kenny Hill effect before he sucked at TexasAM.
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I like that idea. Put a good old fashion beat down on a few more teams. Starting slow is for the birds.
 
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Dudleys87 said:
The position coaches we upgraded will have an instant impact. This team has a lot of talent to beat a lot of folks and it's time they do just that
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Sound about like what we thought about Shoop. I try not to make the same mistake twice.
 
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chargervol said:
Understand, but I didn't say "negative posting". I said "negative posters saying".

The difference being, saying that we are missing those components is true and not being negative. But I know some of the names saying that, when we don't win 10 games, they'll come back and act shocked and po'ed about it.
Even though I agree they're giving legitimate reasons why it will not happen.
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Yeah, I get that, I am just not sure if I believe it. I am quite sure people consider me a "negative poster saying" Yet, had we went 9-3 with a Sugar Bowl bid last year, I would have been very happy. And I have plenty of post to back that up.
Much like next year, I think we are 8-4 at best. So ill be happy if they overachieve my expectation. Ill be content but sad if they go 8-4. Content because that's what I expect and sad that in 5 years we haven't improved past that mark.

My issue is people use the "we could go 15-0 and you would still complain" as a way to invalidate any opinion presented by those of us that are deemed to be "negative posters saying.."

I would also add, I think its a bit crazy to expect people to be happy after a lose to Vanderbilt, regardless of if the "this isn't the 90s anymore, Vandy is improving " argument has any validity or not.
 
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volfannbama said:
Sound about like what we thought about Shoop. I try not to make the same mistake twice.
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Ole Shoop. I am trying very hard not to bash anymore but he left a lot to be desired this past season. I wasn't impressed to say the least and PSU didn't fall off after he left. I know he can be better similar to the start of the season rather than the end.


Truthfully I think the D will be much different now that it won't have a coach basically guessing in Martinez
 
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volfannbama said:
Yeah, I get that, I am just not sure if I believe it. I am quite sure people consider me a "negative poster saying" Yet, had we went 9-3 with a Sugar Bowl bid last year, I would have been very happy. And I have plenty of post to back that up.
Much like next year, I think we are 8-4 at best. So ill be happy if they overachieve my expectation. Ill be content but sad if they go 8-4. Content because that's what I expect and sad that in 5 years we haven't improved past that mark.

My issue is people use the "we could go 15-0 and you would still complain" as a way to invalidate any opinion presented by those of us that are deemed to be "negative posters saying.."

I would also add, I think its a bit crazy to expect people to be happy after a lose to Vanderbilt, regardless of if the "this isn't the 90s anymore, Vandy is improving " argument has any validity or not.
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Understand that and maybe you're not one of them. But I've read here enough to know, that people say a certain number of wins or beating a certain team, and when that happens, they backtrack and say it wasn't enough.

They give long detailed reasons why we should have had more wins or how this loss, washed out that win, but it's not what they said to start with.

I said eight wins in 2015 like everybody else and no one included a clause saying "unless we're leading and then lose."

I was not one of the ones who said we can go 7 and 5 as long as we beat Florida. But the ones who did say it, quickly changed their tune after we won.

I don't mind people giving their expectations, when they change those expectations after the fact, that's kind of BS.
 
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Dudleys87 said:
Ole Shoop. I am trying very hard not to bash anymore but he left a lot to be desired this past season. I wasn't impressed to say the least and PSU didn't fall off after he left. I know he can be better similar to the start of the season rather than the end.


Truthfully I think the D will be much different now that it won't have a coach basically guessing in Martinez
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The DB were not as bad the past two years as they were this season and Martinez coached them then.

I like the Warren hire, not because I know a lot about him but because I am a Troy Calhoun fan and if he endorses a coach, that is good enough for me.

My point is the coaching hires are just as much a guess at this point as the new players that will be stepping in. So to me, I have to look at the consistent and I am skeptical that they are anything but average. If not, good.

VN has a problem in that many posters will attempt to invalidate any argument like this by attempting to prove that they played football and coached football more than other poster. It doesn't make a lot of sense, because for the most part we don't know each others history. But I don't have to know how to build a ford car to tell you that its not running. I don't have to be an expert on football, although I think I know a pretty good bit, to know when its not being played very well. Certainly, there have been times where they have looked spectacular, but for the most part its been inconsistent at best and bad at worse. To me, looking good in spurts is more attributed to talent, and inconsistent and bad is more contributed to coaching, especially since we know the talent is there.
 
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volfannbama said:
The DB were not as bad the past two years as they were this season and Martinez coached them then.

I like the Warren hire, not because I know a lot about him but because I am a Troy Calhoun fan and if he endorses a coach, that is good enough for me.

My point is the coaching hires are just as much a guess at this point as the new players that will be stepping in. So to me, I have to look at the consistent and I am skeptical that they are anything but average. If not, good.

VN has a problem in that many posters will attempt to invalidate any argument like this by attempting to prove that they played football and coached football more than other poster. It doesn't make a lot of sense, because for the most part we don't know each others history. But I don't have to know how to build a ford car to tell you that its not running. I don't have to be an expert on football, although I think I know a pretty good bit, to know when its not being played very well. Certainly, there have been times where they have looked spectacular, but for the most part its been inconsistent at best and bad at worse. To me, looking good in spurts is more attributed to talent, and inconsistent and bad is more contributed to coaching, especially since we know the talent is there.
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And Martinez coached DBs the two previous seasons when, as you noted, the DBs weren't as bad as they were last season. The only thing that changed was the Defensive Coordinator. Don't think that's a coincidence.
 
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"Blah blah blah, we know basically nothing, and we haven't picked the winner of the East in 5 years."

- preseason sports analysts
 
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chargervol said:
Understand that and maybe you're not one of them. But I've read here enough to know, that people say a certain number of wins or beating a certain team, and when that happens, they backtrack and say it wasn't enough.

They give long detailed reasons why we should have had more wins or how this loss, washed out that win, but it's not what they said to start with.

I said eight wins in 2015 like everybody else and no one included a clause saying "unless we're leading and then lose."

I was not one of the ones who said we can go 7 and 5 as long as we beat Florida. But the ones who did say it, quickly changed their tune after we won.

I don't mind people giving their expectations, when they change those expectations after the fact, that's kind of BS.
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You can make the same argument about people who when confronted with fact that for the last two years CBJ has dropped the ball on getting to the SECCG, point out the fact that we've had three consecutive years in a bowl game as a sign of progress.

80 of the 128 FBS teams play in a bowl, and it's further lessened in stature by the criteria being lowered to a 5-7 record for entry. Making it to a bowl game, even three years in a row, is not an indicator of a successful season.

You can tout total number of wins all day long, but if you are going 9-4 on the season, and still go 4-4 in conference play, how is that considered improvement if your goal is to win division titles and play for conference championships?
 
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If he wins less than 8 he should be gone. Great coaches, coach great... without regard to the circumstances they're dealing with.
 
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BeardedVol said:
You can make the same argument about people who when confronted with fact that for the last two years CBJ has dropped the ball on getting to the SECCG, point out the fact that we've had three consecutive years in a bowl game as a sign of progress.

80 of the 128 FBS teams play in a bowl, and it's further lessened in stature by the criteria being lowered to a 5-7 record for entry. Making it to a bowl game, is not an indicator of a successful season.

You can tout total number of wins all day long, but if you are going 9-4 on the season, and still go 4-4 in conference play, how is that considered improvement if your goal is to win division titles and play for conference championships?
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I must say, I see nothing wrong with your point.
The only thing I would refute, is that it has nothing to do with what I said.

I said changing your prediction after the fact.
I said eight in 2015, and I didn't gripe about the losses when we finished with eight.
I said 10 for 2016 unless we had a lot of injuries, then 9 or I would be upset. We had the injuries but we also only won 8.. and I was upset.
Also said it would shake my confidence in Jones, and I have not given him a vote of confidence since.
I have held to my exact word about my predictions every single year.
Just stick to your prediction, that's all I ask. No additional BS after-the-fact, no changing your story later, just stick to your word.

Now I realize I didn't answer any of your questions about bowl games?, but once again, that's because it had absolutely nothing to do with what I said.
 
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Wait, they think Butch winning 6 games is a win? LOL

Also, people keep saying things like "talented buddies". Who are they referring to, exactly?

Kamara, Malone and Barnett. Those are the only (other) players gone who significantly effected the outcome of the season (positively). Other schools lose starters and they say they will be fine. UT loses a small handful of key players and the sky is falling? How about the returning DL? Healthy Kirkland and the other LBs who are actually experienced this time. How about a veteran secondary with a much better coach? How about a healthy Berry returning kicks? How about a veteran OL? How about ykung WRs who look to become really good players? How about the RBs returning and coming in? Is 6 wins really a good record foursome experts?
 
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chargervol said:
I must say, I see nothing wrong with your point.
The only thing I would refute, is that it has nothing to do with what I said.

I said changing your prediction after the fact.
I said eight in 2015, and I didn't gripe about the losses when we finished with eight.
I said 10 for 2016 unless we had a lot of injuries, then 9 or I would be upset. We had the injuries but we also only won 8.. and I was upset.
Also said it would shake my confidence in Jones, and I have not given him a vote of confidence since.
I have held to my exact word about my predictions every single year.
Just stick to your prediction, that's all I ask. No additional BS after-the-fact, no changing your story later, just stick to your word.

Now I realize I didn't answer any of your questions about bowl games?, but once again, that's because it had absolutely nothing to do with what I said.
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But it does have something to do with what you said. The same people, including Butch, who prior to the start of the season said the goal was and SECe title, and playing in the SECCG, wanted to turn around and count getting into the MCB, as the new season goal and a sign of progress.

How many people who were predicting 11-1 or 10-2 before 2016, come in every thread that has a critical post about CBJ, and try to convince everyone that 9-4, no division title, no SECCG appearance, and instead going to the MCB is meeting their preseason expectations?
 
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BeardedVol said:
But it does have something to do with what you said. The same people, including Butch, who prior to the start of the season said the goal was and SECe title, and playing in the SECCG, wanted to turn around and count getting into the MCB, as the new season goal and a sign of progress.

How many people who were predicting 11-1 or 10-2 before 2016, come in every thread that has a critical post about CBJ, and try to convince everyone that 9-4, no division title, no SECCG appearance, and instead going to the MCB is meeting their preseason expectations?
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And I have no problem with you pointing them out. But it still has nothing to do with my post. My post was about the story in the op.
People saying he's right because we're missing all these pieces.

If the op had been about us winning three more games and everyone saying he's right, then I would be putting those people out.
I honestly don't mind you making a post and calling them out, it just didn't relate to mine because of the particular subject in this thread. Other than that you're right.
 
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chargervol said:
And I have no problem with you pointing them out. But it still has nothing to do with my post. My post was about the story in the op.
People saying he's right because we're missing all these pieces.

If the op had been about us winning three more games and everyone saying he's right, then I would be putting those people out.
I honestly don't mind you making a post and calling them out, it just didn't relate to mine because of the particular subject in this thread. Other than that you're right.
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I think you missed the point, it's not about calling people out, but that those predictions cut both ways in terms of expectations. 
 
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BeardedVol said:
I think you missed the point, it's not about calling people out, but that those predictions cut both ways in terms of expectations. 
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No, I get it.
I just rarely see one of the 10-2 people, promise to want him fired if he doesn't reach the record they predict. They may want to believe he's better than he is, when their prediction isn't reached, but I don't see them going back on their word.

I literally see "if he beats Florida" posters completely go back on on the statement they made.
If I see someone say they will want him fired if he doesn't reach X number wins and then they change that, I will say so. I can't personally recall seeing that. Pumping sunshine or being in denial is one thing, refusing to stick to your word is different. It was also the point of my post.

But I'm completely open, if you know where a post is about someone saying they would want him fired if he didn't reach their prediction, I do not care a bit to acknowledge it. Screw anyone that lies or is fos.
 
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On a game by game basis for 2017 here would be my predictions. 7 wins, 3 losses and 2 Toss ups
Best guess would be 7-5 or 8-4

Georgia Tech - Toss Up
Indiana Win
Florida Loss
U Mass Win
Georgia Toss Up
South Carolina Win
Alabama Loss
Kentucky Win
Southern Miss Win
Missouri Win
LSU Loss
Vanderbilt Win
 
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1974Vol said:
On a game by game basis for 2017 here would be my predictions. 7 wins, 3 losses and 2 Toss ups
Best guess would be 7-5 or 8-4

Georgia Tech - Toss Up
Indiana Win
Florida Loss
U Mass Win
Georgia Toss Up
South Carolina Win
Alabama Loss
Kentucky Win
Southern Miss Win
Missouri Win
LSU Loss
Vanderbilt Win
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Just curious how you count Vandy and USC as automatic wins instead of toss ups?
 
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volfannbama said:
The DB were not as bad the past two years as they were this season and Martinez coached them then.

I like the Warren hire, not because I know a lot about him but because I am a Troy Calhoun fan and if he endorses a coach, that is good enough for me.

My point is the coaching hires are just as much a guess at this point as the new players that will be stepping in. So to me, I have to look at the consistent and I am skeptical that they are anything but average. If not, good.

VN has a problem in that many posters will attempt to invalidate any argument like this by attempting to prove that they played football and coached football more than other poster. It doesn't make a lot of sense, because for the most part we don't know each others history. But I don't have to know how to build a ford car to tell you that its not running. I don't have to be an expert on football, although I think I know a pretty good bit, to know when its not being played very well. Certainly, there have been times where they have looked spectacular, but for the most part its been inconsistent at best and bad at worse. To me, looking good in spurts is more attributed to talent, and inconsistent and bad is more contributed to coaching, especially since we know the talent is there.
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Has warren ever had the amount of talent he has at Tennessee? Being stern on discipline I expect them to be better from go. He will teach them head turn that's enough for me lol
 
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Dudleys87 said:
Has warren ever had the amount of talent he has at Tennessee? Being stern on discipline I expect them to be better from go. He will teach them head turn that's enough for me lol
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I dont know what Warren has coached but ive learned my lesson putting faith in coaches before they prove anything here. Shoop had great defenses at Vandy and Penn St and well.....yeah....
 
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They are underestimating our defense, rightfully so. Let them keep doubting though, I think Gaurantano is going to play some big boy ball
 
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