Give Jones credit

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Boca Vol said:
This. Assistants move around all the time. If an assistant is in the same position for several years, something is usually wrong.
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Love you, Boca, but huh? How about the Chief as our DC for 13 years?

In '08, I posted the idea of bringing in the Pirate as HC and keeping the Chief. I got skewered because nobody wanted a gimmicky/zone read/pass happy offense. Funny, huh?
 
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VolMax said:
Gave in to constant clubbing over the head by Negas.
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There have been times that it seems he has been lurking. Against OU he kicked the FG early and lost but then against FL he went for the TD early and won.

I would like to think he spends his time on more productive matters than Volnation, for me I get info about the Vols that I wouldn't otherwise.

When 1% of Volnation, which is about 1% of all Vol fans, has outrage it's not like it's EF Hutton.

Release the Beast!
 
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Last offseason solid coaching upgrades.

This offseason solid coaching upgrades.

Both offseasons solid coaching upgrades with knowledge and experience to coach the kids up and MOST importantly I believe we also upgraded with better recruiters too and that's a HUGE plus for the long term of our program.

It may take a couple of years or so to really see how well we'll reap the rewards of these solid coaching changes and better recruiters but there's reasons to feel better about where the program is now headed.

VFL...GBO!!!
 
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Titan&Volfan4life said:
Last offseason solid coaching upgrades.

This offseason solid coaching upgrades.

Both offseasons solid coaching upgrades with knowledge and experience to coach the kids up and MOST importantly I believe we also upgraded with better recruiters too and that's a HUGE plus for the long term of our program.

It may take a couple of years or so to really see how well we'll reap the rewards of these solid coaching changes and better recruiters but there's reasons to feel better about where the program is now headed.

VFL...GBO!!!
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agree.
 
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jakez4ut said:
All he can do is address the issues that exist.

He's not gonna fire himself.

So....he's addressed each position that most all of us overwhelmingly agree needed to be addressed.

So until we see the fruits of that labor, we just have to take it for what it is. Recognition of the issues, and steps taken to fix said issues.

Which, at the end of the day, is what I what I wanted him to do. So I will give credit here.

The bad news...I don't know that these changes will have such an impact on this season, to make it any more than the 7/8 wins I currently expect.

Lots of transition=lots of ifs.
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Honest question here. Do you think our players have the same concerns and expectations that you have? I know that's a speculative question but I really think they see the changes as having an immediate impact and expect nothing less than winning SEC east. Why shouldn't we share that mindset?
 
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Jax_Vol said:
Shuffling the deck................hope he has hired all aces.
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If I am correct, Johnny Majors switched the offensive coaches to defense and defense to offense instead of firing the lot. That is shuffling the deck. Hilarious
 
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volgrad500 said:
Ok. But how much credit do we give a guy for fixing a crisis he created? Do we really pat him on the back for having to fire one of his own hires?
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Im sorry but the way I see it is that the crisis was ongoing long before jones got here and I think he has done a good job getting the ship at least floating level.
every head coach in America has fired someone they hired..so do we fire all of them????
 
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Coachmike17 said:
Honest question here. Do you think our players have the same concerns and expectations that you have? I know that's a speculative question but I really think they see the changes as having an immediate impact and expect nothing less than winning SEC east. Why shouldn't we share that mindset?
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i think probably most of the players feel like they can/should/will compete at a level you would expect from a program like TN. i think, in particular at the QB position, there's a lot of confidence internally. i think the coaches believe the same.

i wouldn't expect otherwise; if they didn't, then we definitely have the wrong players/coaches.

but i wouldn't be shocked if there weren't some minority of the players that may have some trepidation heading in to this off season....change being what it is.

but as a fan, trying to be as objective as i can....as i look at it big picture, there's just a lot that would have to fall in place, almost immediately, for it to translate that quickly imo. i don't necessarily view it as a concern on my part though, because i do believe these are good changes, i do believe there is some talent there. i just think it may be a year away from being more of a "finished product". plus, again, looking at a bigger picture, i think the schedule is still pretty difficult (though we do avoid the "death row" type stretch we had in 16) and some of the competition is getting better as well. combine all that, and that's how i got to where i am today.

i would not expect the folks (players/coaches) over there to feel the same way, nor should they.
 
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TNHopeful505 said:
People wondered if his loyalty to his staff would keep him from doing what he needs to do. However only Azzanni and Thig remain from the initial staff in 2013. He not only has made changes, but upgraded. I realize this doesn't change everything, and wins are necessary, but definitely does answer a question a lot of us needed answered.

Go Vols!
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Walt Well may be an upgrade over Don Mahoney but he is no upgrade over Sam Pittman. Sam wanted to stay at UT. The O-line wanted him to stay and most of us on here wanted him to stay, but Jones stubborn loyalty let one of the best O-line coaches in college football walk out the door. Promoting the smartest kid on the short bus isn't going to get it done in the SEC.
 
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volgrad500 said:
Ok. But how much credit do we give a guy for fixing a crisis he created? Do we really pat him on the back for having to fire one of his own hires?
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Yes,
Hiring is really difficult and everyone won't be a winner. In an interview it is impossible to fully assess a person. The resume will tell you if he is technically qualified but you still don't know about the persons talents and interpersonal skill. Will this guy fit in with our team? This is why 90 percent of people hired find jobs through personal contacts.

You don't get to hire just anyone. It is hard to hire for a latteral move. Everyone is looking for a higher level job with more money. If your already coaching P5 and doing well why make a latteral move to TN. If an Oline coach was just fired from a P5 job, why hire him. Your only options for a proven P5 coach is one that was fired from a higher position or one let go when his HC was fired.

Next option, coaches stepping up like Walt Wells. Will success at lower levels translate to P5? At least jones has worked with Walt. If Jones were not impressed he would not have hired him.

I have hired over 45 professionals. Despite a lengthy interview process including a survey of their talent and interpersonal skills there were a couple that were a complete bust. It was never a problem with technical skills.
 
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Volfan76 said:
Walt Well may be an upgrade over Don Mahoney but he is no upgrade over Sam Pittman. Sam wanted to stay at UT. The O-line wanted him to stay and most of us on here wanted him to stay, but Jones stubborn loyalty let one of the best O-line coaches in college football walk out the door. Promoting the smartest kid on the short bus isn't going to get it done in the SEC.
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I also wanted Sam when Jones first arrived and now during this hire. Per my previous post, Butch new Mahoney and Sam was an unknown to Butch.
 
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Coachmike17 said:
Do you cuss yourself every morning when you get up, just so you can start the day right?
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Only if I get up early enough before going to work to read latest iteration of sunshine pumping threads on volnation. And then I usually do cuss myself for being so naive to think/hope people may have gotten smarter overnight. :banghead2:
 
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smokey90 said:
If I am correct, Johnny Majors switched the offensive coaches to defense and defense to offense instead of firing the lot. That is shuffling the deck. Hilarious
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Johnny fired a lot of assistants. He was not easy to work with.
 
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TNHopeful505 said:
People wondered if his loyalty to his staff would keep him from doing what he needs to do. However only Azzanni and Thig remain from the initial staff in 2013. He not only has made changes, but upgraded. I realize this doesn't change everything, and wins are necessary, but definitely does answer a question a lot of us needed answered.

Go Vols!
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Upgraded? How do we yet know that?

I am glad that he has replaced just about everyone who I personally felt needed replacing (Azzanni is the exception). But we have no idea if these are "upgrades." Let's check back this Christmas.

Butch has bet his future at Tennessee on these changes. I know we all wish him great success...i.e. changes in coaches=more wins.
 
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Volfan76 said:
Walt Well may be an upgrade over Don Mahoney but he is no upgrade over Sam Pittman. Sam wanted to stay at UT. The O-line wanted him to stay and most of us on here wanted him to stay, but Jones stubborn loyalty let one of the best O-line coaches in college football walk out the door. Promoting the smartest kid on the short bus isn't going to get it done in the SEC.
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How do you know?
 
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TGVol said:
Only if I get up early enough before going to work to read latest iteration of sunshine pumping threads on volnation. And then I usually do cuss myself for being so naive to think/hope people may have gotten smarter overnight. :banghead2:
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You cuss yourself? Do you cuss back? :loco:
 
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TGVol said:
Only if I get up early enough before going to work to read latest iteration of sunshine pumping threads on volnation. And then I usually do cuss myself for being so naive to think/hope people may have gotten smarter overnight. :banghead2:
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I have tried to be objective with posts, but when I read the trash a few of you guys post bashing Tennessee athletics, my devotion to my University forces me to try to counter act the negative atmosphere you have created. Call it sunshine pumping all you want, but I have a very civil and pleasant life. During my working days, I have seen employees with the attitude you and others like you fall to the wayside while others with positive attitudes rise to the top. Why no try being positive sometime, you may actually benefit from it and occasionally enjoy some sunshine.
 
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VOLINVONORE said:
I have tried to be objective with posts, but when I read the trash a few of you guys post bashing Tennessee athletics, my devotion to my University forces me to try to counter act the negative atmosphere you have created. Call it sunshine pumping all you want, but I have a very civil and pleasant life. During my working days, I have seen employees with the attitude you and others like you fall to the wayside while others with positive attitudes rise to the top. Why no try being positive sometime, you may actually benefit from it and occasionally enjoy some sunshine.
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I love Tennessee athletics and am forever in debt to the university since I played varsity sports on full scholarship. That is also why I'm very passionate and bothers me when the standards are dropping and people are willing to accept that. I was very suspicious of Butch when he was hired, but also became very enthusiastic supporter for a while after he proved me wrong and had huge success in recruiting early on (I did not see that coming at all). I was hoping that recruiting success would extend to Butch also surprising me as far as on field coaching and ultimately W-L's, but unfortunately that most important aspect did not materialize. At this point I don't see any reason why Butch should become more successful in the future (with weaker talent level than he had last year) - that is why I'm pessimistic and feel like he should be replaced asap instead of wasting another couple of years and then starting over.
 
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TGVol said:
I love Tennessee athletics and am forever in debt to the university since I played varsity sports on full scholarship. That is also why I'm very passionate and bothers me when the standards are dropping and people are willing to accept that. I was very suspicious of Butch when he was hired, but also became very enthusiastic supporter for a while after he proved me wrong and had huge success in recruiting early on (I did not see that coming at all). I was hoping that recruiting success would extend to Butch also surprising me as far as on field coaching and ultimately W-L's, but unfortunately that most important aspect did not materialize. At this point I don't see any reason why Butch should become more successful in the future (with weaker talent level than he had last year) - that is why I'm pessimistic and feel like he should be replaced asap instead of wasting another couple of years and then starting over.
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well, you're in luck. we don't have to wait a couple years to start over.

we're starting over, again, right now.:thumbsup:

i don't mean that as smart a$$ as it sounds. i'm actually being dead serious. CBJ is getting a chance many don't, and judging by the overhaul the staff just got done with, a lot of new faces hitting the field this coming season...for all intents and purposes, he's hit the reset button on his career at UT. we'll see how this version turns out.
 
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TGVol said:
I love Tennessee athletics and am forever in debt to the university since I played varsity sports on full scholarship. That is also why I'm very passionate and bothers me when the standards are dropping and people are willing to accept that. I was very suspicious of Butch when he was hired, but also became very enthusiastic supporter for a while after he proved me wrong and had huge success in recruiting early on (I did not see that coming at all). I was hoping that recruiting success would extend to Butch also surprising me as far as on field coaching and ultimately W-L's, but unfortunately that most important aspect did not materialize. At this point I don't see any reason why Butch should become more successful in the future (with weaker talent level than he had last year) - that is why I'm pessimistic and feel like he should be replaced asap instead of wasting another couple of years and then starting over.
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Just being nosey. What sport did you play?

So far I haven't seen CBJ back down from expectations for 2017. He seems to still think we are on our way up. With our new QB it's up in the air what happens next. I think their training will kick in and we will have the breakout year that we could have had these past 2 years.

Release the Beast!
 
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