Recruiting Forum Football Talk XXXII

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Vols4us said:
For the posi-Vols, this is not a negative post. It is a stars matter post. Per the "..cool it with stars" thread. appvol posted the link below from SDS.

13 years of SEC team recruiting rankings rolled into one: No. 6 Tennessee Volunteers - Saturday Down South

In summary:

UT was #14 in national recruiting rankings and #6 in the SEC using 247 composite when it started and Rivals prior to the composite. UT's actual wins average was 7 (rounded) from all seasons following the recruiting period stated of 2002-2014 in the article, which is the period of 2003-2015.

#14 in national recruiting rankings equals upper middle of the pack in the SEC in roster quality. My perception of high quality coaching is that it adds one win per season on average. Most everybody that knows anything about football's perceptions of poor quality coaching deducts one+ wins per season subject to Dools standards. Average coaching is neutral and provides 7-5 and 8-4 seasons with the period's roster quality. There could be all kinds of stats derived from the data. But in general, you are going to see everything from 5 to 10 win seasons with upper middle roster quality and average coaching.

In my mind all of the above proves without a shadow of a doubt that stars matter if the program desires to be a perineal top 10 program. If not, carry on.

It is safe to say that Butch is currently an average coach in the SEC, at UT, and in recruiting based on 5 seasons of work under his belt. That is not to say he cannot become a higher quality coach. It does mean he will need to depend on hiring better developers of talent and recruiters to get there because he does not demonstrate the personal ability to rise above that challenge in recruiting or in the W/L column on his own. Most coaches cannot overcome that. Based on recent and anticipated assistant hires, he appears to be doing what he needs to do in that area to upgrade with the proven ability to recruit (except Canales). The final piece to the puzzle in my mind is whether he will get out of their way and let them do their jobs. He has the right to interject whenever he wants, however, it is not always wise to do so unless requested by the coordinators.

All of this says to me to stay the course with Butch if the trajectory remains stable or moves up. This is especially true with the circus that exists in UT's executive and administrative offices, BOT, and boosters of the university. If Butch is terminated or leaves we all know they would likely botch it up. As many have already posted, 2018 recruiting is crucial to the future of the program as well as Butch's career at UT. So the answer on his ability to win at a higher level should be answered over the next 2-3 years.
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What the hell is "Dools standards"?

I googled this and nothing came close.

Why does Dooley have to keep coming up here and has now become forever associated with our beloved Volunteers as the "Dools standards"?
 
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Ron Swanson said:
Joey Freshwater already doing his thing down at FAU...

https://twitter.com/keelangregg98/status/827754943620710401?ref_src=twsrc^tfw

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Just out on the old recruiting trail.... Tireless he is.

SMH
 
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jdhallvols said:
What the hell is "Dools standards"?

I googled this and nothing came close.

Why does Dooley have to keep coming up here and has now become forever associated with our beloved Volunteers as the "Dools standards"?
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Staying above Doors standards. Dools standards are 5-7.
 
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chavisut said:
Who else other than Concliffe?
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I heard some talk on signing day that they were fortunate that some teams filled up.

TJ Moore is another one. We passed on both of those 4*.

Florida is gonna fill up with highly ranked guys every year because of their location. But it seems to me like Miami and FSU are picking who they want and UF is getting what falls to them.
 
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BigZiti09 said:
I heard some talk on signing day that they were fortunate that some teams filled up.

TJ Moore is another one. We passed on both of those 4*.

Florida is gonna fill up with highly ranked guys every year because of their location. But it seems to me like Miami and FSU are picking who they want and UF is getting what falls to them.
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Absolutely. Their class is solid, but by judging from what people in here have said about our class, no one should think they out-recruited us or will somehow be better than us overnight.
 
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LynxVol said:
Absolutely. Their class is solid, but by judging from what people in here have said about our class, no one should think they out-recruited us or will somehow be better than us overnight.
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They signed ZERO 5* players. Pretty sure they don't even have a guy who is close to 5*.

That doesn't happen often at UF. McElwain is getting scraps. He's just in a state where scraps are 3* and 4* players.
 
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I am so glad we are turning the page on the '17 class and moving on to the '18 class. '17 was well, not so much fun for me. '18 seems to be starting off with a lot of promise.
 
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Personally, I didn't like the 5* heart comment at first. Looking at it I just thought there were better ways to say it and the backlash was immediate. My favorite sports talk shows here in Nashville we're blasting Butch... ESPN, Fox Sports we're all blasting him. I just didn't understand why he would want to say something he knew would be misconstrued. Then I came on here and read other people's posts about it and I calmed down a bit. I still think he could have said it differently to avoid all of this, but oh well. In the grand scheme of it the comment wasn't that bad. Not worth discussing over and over again.
 
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Nash_Vol97 said:
Personally, I didn't like the 5* heart comment at first. Looking at it I just thought there were better ways to say it and the backlash was immediate. My favorite sports talk shows here in Nashville we're blasting Butch... ESPN, Fox Sports we're all blasting him. I just didn't understand why he would want to say something he knew would be misconstrued. Then I came on here and read other people's posts about it and I calmed down a bit. I still think he could have said it differently to avoid all of this, but oh well. In the grand scheme of it the comment wasn't that bad. Not worth discussing over and over again.
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Butch never gives the media what they want so of course they're going to make fun of him when he's talking to parents rather than them
 
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Nash_Vol97 said:
Personally, I didn't like the 5* heart comment at first. Looking at it I just thought there were better ways to say it and the backlash was immediate. My favorite sports talk shows here in Nashville we're blasting Butch... ESPN, Fox Sports we're all blasting him. I just didn't understand why he would want to say something he knew would be misconstrued. Then I came on here and read other people's posts about it and I calmed down a bit. I still think he could have said it differently to avoid all of this, but oh well. In the grand scheme of it the comment wasn't that bad. Not worth discussing over and over again.
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I agree, and he does just allow for too big of a target.
I also understand this point, like you. We know what he dealt with with P will and Hurd. And he was probably thinking of situations like Conliffe. 'I'm done pushing for a higher star ranking with kids who think they're bigger than the program'.
I love having four and five stars if they're going to compete that way, but it's useless and a waste of resources if they're not.
Like you said, in the grand scheme of things the comment itself is...
 
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Glitch said:
We got some really good DBs in this class. We also got a really good DB coach to teach them. Complaining for some people is needed like a mama cow needs to be milked. It becomes painful if it doesn't happen and could be messy.
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I hope he never says anything they want to hear.."**** all of em"..Give them more of that Butch. I am really pulling for this guy now, and his team of unwanted players.
 
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Ulysees E. McGill said:
I hope he never says anything they want to hear.."**** all of em"..Give them more of that Butch. I am really pulling for this guy now, and his team of unwanted players.
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Yep. I can't stand media. They almost always have an agenda of some sort. Forget them.
 
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chargervol said:
I agree, and he does just allow for too big of a target.
I also understand this point, like you. We know what he dealt with with P will and Hurd. And he was probably thinking of situations like Conliffe. 'I'm done pushing for a higher star ranking with kids who think they're bigger than the program'.
I love having four and five stars if they're going to compete that way, but it's useless and a waste of resources if they're not.
Like you said, in the grand scheme of things the comment itself is...
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Yeah for everything that went on last year, the comment make sense.
 
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One thing these negavols forget. Butch don't give a F about what you think of him and about what he says. In his mind, its either you're with him, or you're against him. Last time I checked he is the HBC of Volnation and he has my support. GBFO!
 
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