SEC Coaching Grades

#126
#126
Useless post OP because it doesn't play to the Fahr Butch narrative. If you can find a post that gives stats that would somehow show Butch as the worst hire ever then you will get some love on here.
 
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#128
#128
hendersonvillevol said:
Butch Jones is a good coach you people kill me have you forgot what mess he took over and how bad we where, get off his back because we will be back it just takes time
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We aren't talking about Dooleys mess or CBJ first 2 yrs. CBJ had the talent to win the East in yr 3 and 4 and he failed. Time was yesterday
 
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#130
#130
jbr82 said:
We aren't talking about Dooleys mess or CBJ first 2 yrs. CBJ had the talent to win the East in yr 3 and 4 and he failed. Time was yesterday
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Timing is everything and it's still too early to call whether or not he can win us a NC.

CBJ has some left in the tank.

Release the Beast!
 
#132
#132
So 2 of our 11 SEC losses in the last 3 years are by D and F coaches. Kind of surprise Sumlin graded out that high. He had a lot of missed opportunities the last four years, just like CBJ.

1 by A coach, saban
1 B coach, Sumlin
1 D- coach, Mucuschamp
1 F coach, Mason
 
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sjt18 said:
I don't like him but McElwain is 2 for 2 since taking over UF.

Mullen is a good coach hampered by a place that's really difficult to recruit to.

Again, I don't like the guy but Bielema has done more with less since going to Arkansas. It would be interesting to know what he would have done if he and Jones had reversed roles.

I'd take Malzahn over Jones in a half second.

Freeze had a bad year but he's had more success than Jones in a more difficult place to have success.


I'm not exactly sure what this guy based his grades on. Jones lost a game in each of his first 2 years that should have been wins. As talent has gotten better, his optimization of it has actually gotten worse. There were 3 losses in each of the last two years that easily could have if not should have been wins.

In his first 4 years, Jones has one upset win to his credit.

Jones' defenders do not want to deal with these things... but these and his overall record are the bottom line facts after you cut through all of the minutiae. Jones to date is more like a "D" than a B+. He needs a few years of earning "A's" to get his avg back up to B+.
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I bet you almost peed yourself when this thread popped up....Could not believe your luck!!! Right up your alley huh?
 
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BeecherVol said:
I don't have any stats on general attrition across the country but, is this high?

Also confused on the point you are pushing at with this as well.
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I was only showing that of the high profile classes that CBJ had, we lost a lot of guys from those classes. It was also just to serve as a reminder of the amount of talent that schools lose from a recruiting class.
 
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HuntlandVolinColo said:
So 2 of our 11 SEC losses in the last 3 years are by D and F coaches. Kind of surprise Sumlin graded out that high. He had a lot of missed opportunities the last four years, just like CBJ.

1 by A coach, saban
1 B coach, Sumlin
1 D- coach, Mucuschamp
1 F coach, Mason
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4+3+1+0=8/4=2
This equals Butch's value to me of a C coach. He is a sales guy that leaves a lot to be desired operationally. This also equals the commitment UT has to athletics currently I might add.
 
#142
#142
I would give him a C-, especially taking in consideration how he is doing in recruiting at 7th in the conference. That is very average to below average in my opinion. He should have went 10-2 with the team he had, not 8-4 with the ugly loss to vandy. No excuses.
 
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#143
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Iam4utalways said:
Practice like you play didn't apply to 120. We practiced way better than we played.

If a coach puts together a winning game plan that the team has enough talent to execute but then goes and lays an egg due to mental mistakes that never shows up in practice but only games is a sign that the team lacks an edge or that killer instinct.

Rock will fix that.

Release the Beast!
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I sincerely hope you are right. But almost universally the product you see after time has been given for a complete culture change and necessary personnel changes comes directly from the leader. Over time, organizations begin to reflect their leader.
 
#144
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volfan102455 said:
Good grief! He is not as bad a coach as you want him to be. And some of those you think should are better are not really as good as you say they are.

You all give Freeze and others a pass on things you dog your own head coach for.
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What loss does Freeze have since arriving at Ole Miss that compares to Vandy or USCe this year for Jones? What team in the bottom half of the SEC does Freeze have a .500 or worse record against? Who has won the most game and most meaningful games since joining the SEC between Jones and Freeze? To keep that in context, how have the East and West compared over their respective tenures?


I don't want Jones to be a bad coach. I want him to be a GREAT coach. I would LOVE to eat crow all next fall as he proves he's far better than he's shown so far. But until HE proves different... he is what his record says he is- Mediocre at best overall.
 
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#145
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fearsvols said:
I'll play your game....what makes it the best roster? How do you determine that because if you'r going to go by recruit rankings that would be UGA who has the best roster in the East. Ohhh yeah and they have lost the last two games against Tennessee.
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So you are arguing that he did not have the best roster the last two years? Most of those reporting on the SEC would seem to disagree with you.

If you disagree that he's had the best roster then I suppose that's just your delusion.... and you are free to hold on to it. But I am a Vol fan as opposed to a Jones fan. I realize the two are not necessarily the same and when they do not align... I remain loyal to the Vols, not Jones. I hope you are right and he's the greatest ever. That simply isn't what his "whole body of work" says he is.
 
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#146
#146
fearsvols said:
I'll play your game....what makes it the best roster? How do you determine that because if you'r going to go by recruit rankings that would be UGA who has the best roster in the East. Ohhh yeah and they have lost the last two games against Tennessee.
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PS- If you want to go by recruiting rankings then his recruiting has fallen off significantly (as some of us said it would if he didn't produce within 3 or 4 years at the most)... so he is already a liability to UT's hopes of winning a future championship. If that's true then someone should be developing a list of replacements, right? Are you sure that's what you want for a basis for your argument?
 
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sjt18 said:
What loss does Freeze have since arriving at Ole Miss that compares to Vandy or USCe this year for Jones? What team in the bottom half of the SEC does Freeze have a .500 or worse record against? Who has won the most game and most meaningful games since joining the SEC between Jones and Freeze? To keep that in context, how have the East and West compared over their respective tenures?


I don't want Jones to be a bad coach. I want him to be a GREAT coach. I would LOVE to eat crow all next fall as he proves he's far better than he's shown so far. But until HE proves different... he is what his record says he is- Mediocre at best overall.
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fFreeze lost to Vandy this year too 38-17? Are you serious that Stupid? And he is about to get blown up by the NCAA< I wouldn't take Freeze over Butch anyday.
 
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sjt18 said:
So you are arguing that he did not have the best roster the last two years? Most of those reporting on the SEC would seem to disagree with you.

If you disagree that he's had the best roster then I suppose that's just your delusion.... and you are free to hold on to it. But I am a Vol fan as opposed to a Jones fan. I realize the two are not necessarily the same and when they do not align... I remain loyal to the Vols, not Jones. I hope you are right and he's the greatest ever. That simply isn't what his "whole body of work" says he is.
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I believe last year was close on 'star power' (slight advantage us)but we had the edge because of experience.
But season before last, I don't believe so. We were not picked to win the east, were not the most experienced and slightly under on full roster rankings.
 
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sjt18 said:
So you are arguing that he did not have the best roster the last two years? Most of those reporting on the SEC would seem to disagree with you.

If you disagree that he's had the best roster then I suppose that's just your delusion.... and you are free to hold on to it. But I am a Vol fan as opposed to a Jones fan. I realize the two are not necessarily the same and when they do not align... I remain loyal to the Vols, not Jones. I hope you are right and he's the greatest ever. That simply isn't what his "whole body of work" says he is.
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He had the best roster from Starting Line up perspective but not from a depth prespective. That showed on the field and can't be argued. It is fact!!!
 
#150
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sjt18 said:
What loss does Freeze have since arriving at Ole Miss that compares to Vandy or USCe this year for Jones? What team in the bottom half of the SEC does Freeze have a .500 or worse record against? Who has won the most game and most meaningful games since joining the SEC between Jones and Freeze? To keep that in context, how have the East and West compared over their respective tenures?


I don't want Jones to be a bad coach. I want him to be a GREAT coach. I would LOVE to eat crow all next fall as he proves he's far better than he's shown so far. But until HE proves different... he is what his record says he is- Mediocre at best overall.
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To answer your questions....

Freeze had a blowout loss to the same Vandy team last year, a blowout loss to a team that was 4-7 at the time (Mississippi State) and a blowout loss to Memphis in 2015.

Freeze had definitely turned Ole Miss into something other than bottom feeders, which they've been for the better part of the last 45 years. Freeze has much better wins than Butch and he has recruited at a pace that has never been seen before in Oxford. You are correct about that.

At the end of the day, will Freeze be able to overcome all of the cheating that he has done or has Ole Miss began their journey back to the basement? The wheels fell off for Ole Miss this year and they are currently 71st in recruiting. Will Freeze be able to recruit with all the additional scrutiny on him? Those questions remain to be answered.
 
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