Learning actual X and O's

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Caleb59seal said:
I haven't seen any film on chandler....and the only one I have seen is Timothy Jordan... I like him I'm not sure about speed he seems pretty fluid I don't see a lot of wasted movement he cuts well and goes.... I am actually pretty intrigued about him because he shines when he is in space... if I was coachin him.... because that's what I do as a job... btw.... not a armchair quarterback.... I would see how I could get him involved in the pass game he runs pretty physical and doesn't shy away from contact... although a lot of people think we run a lot of zone read it is more of a power game so he is suited well for it but I would like to see him on some third down situations and I would take it from there... And the reason I say that is because John Kelly is suited perfectly for this offense and CFA seems to be decent hasn't had a lot of opportunity and that's all I know on him but this kid is dynamic with the ball in his hand.... A lot of makes a player successful at the college level is the obvious skill and Football IQ however what makes the really good ones main stay that might be lacking in either of those departments is determination... That is why I believe Shannon Reid will be one to keep an eye on in this class
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Thank you! I've been saying forever that most of the time, we are running power and masking it to look like zone read or read option.

Also, this is the site a lot of other people are referencing https://thefootballconcepts.com/ Guy by the name Seth Price does it. He knows his stuff and is good on film breakdown.

He also has a book others has mentioned. It's a good breakdown as well.
 
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TN_Transplant said:
Thank you! I've been saying forever that most of the time, we are running power and masking it to look like zone read or read option.

Also, this is the site a lot of other people are referencing https://thefootballconcepts.com/ Guy by the name Seth Price does it. He knows his stuff and is good on film breakdown.

He also has a book others has mentioned. It's a good breakdown as well.
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Thanks I will definently look it up.
 
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Caleb59seal said:
I have heard a lot of craziness on here and I have said multiple times that if you just learn a little philosophy and actual coaching and stop just watching the football your points would actually be valid. Furthermore, is there anyone on here that would like some people to break down recruiting tape to see what makes them good or great? Would you guys want to know what to look for in a game or why a play worked or why it didn't? I have always wondered if you guys actually just wanna complain or if you actually wanna know what you are talking about? I am really not trying to be a jerk... it is a sincere question? Sorry about the grammar issues in advance.
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Believe it or not, there is no knowledge based pre-requisite required for being a fan, or having an opinion.

Good luck in your attempt to change that I guess.
 
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Caleb59seal said:
I wouldn't even know where to start with some people on here... My plan was that there are some (few) guys on here that know football so we could team up and hash some stuff out for the average fan.... Or in some cases below average...
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I think that would be a great series to start on here. A lot of people would be interested in reading and discussing it. Ignore the haters.
 
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Ten_Titans said:
Believe it or not, there is no knowledge based pre-requisite required for being a fan, or having an opinion.

Good luck in your attempt to change that I guess.
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I wouldn't mind reading and possibly participating in a thread or forum on X and O but to begin a thread in the general FB forum and state that he and a couple of others are the only ones on here that know dick about it is a little over the top. Definitely D4H level.
 
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UTProf said:
I think that would be a great series to start on here. A lot of people would be interested in reading and discussing it. Ignore the haters.
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Well if that is true then I know some guys on here like vol8188 and some others that know what they are talking about that could contribute...
 
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82_VOL_83 said:
I wouldn't mind reading and possibly participating in a thread or forum on X and O but to begin a thread in the general FB forum and state that he and a couple of others are the only ones on here that know dick about it is a little over the top. Definitely D4H level.
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Well I have said previously that I was over the top and apologized for it.... I didn't mean to come off that harsh it was a rough morning as I had said before and there were some guys on here that I talked to and forgave me and i thought we had moved on from it.... My apologies to you sir.
 
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Alright guys I have fixed the opening thread comments.... So no one should be offended about what I said and if you are.... Well then you were bent on being that way.
 
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It's all water under the bridge now. Let's see what you got, coach! Hit us with your best stuff. We only have a few months before Bama.
 
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I've looked to the stars at night hoping for someone to teach me the intricacies of the throw game.

Seriously, throw us some knowledge OP. Most of us are down for learning.
 
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Why is there not a whole lot of "bump 'n' run" from college teams with lockdown secondaries?
 
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vtvol98 said:
Why is there not a whole lot of "bump 'n' run" from college teams with lockdown secondaries?
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It could be a number of reasons.... Either the coach doesn't have faith in their corners to do it or like zone coverage better... I have noticed the college teams that I watch I think with the exception of Tennessee are doing some flatfoot reading which means they stay anywhere from 7-9 yards away from the receiver watch the quarterbacks first three steps which tells the CB if it's going to be a short route like a slant or a curl or just a out to the flats something like that.... But if you look at Florida they did a lot of it because they believed their ones were better than other teams ones... A lot depends on scheme and what kinda talent you recruit.... Lastly it depends on what kinda philosiphy the defense has if it's read and react or attack.... If you are a defense that wants to spill or fill.... Spill push runners to the outside fill bottle them up inside.... It depends on a lot of things... My personal opinion is the best coverage to run period is cover 1 meaning one high safety and the rest of the CB's are playing man.... Watch te difference on how they used Tabor and how we use someone like crap forgot number 28's name...
 
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Caleb59seal said:
It could be a number of reasons.... Either the coach doesn't have faith in their corners to do it or like zone coverage better... I have noticed the college teams that I watch I think with the exception of Tennessee are doing some flatfoot reading which means they stay anywhere from 7-9 yards away from the receiver watch the quarterbacks first three steps which tells the CB if it's going to be a short route like a slant or a curl or just a out to the flats something like that.... But if you look at Florida they did a lot of it because they believed their ones were better than other teams ones... A lot depends on scheme and what kinda talent you recruit....
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Then what is Tennessee doing if they are not "flat foot reading" as well? I figured with the type of pressure defense that Shoop prefers to run that Sutton, when healthy, and Martin because of his size would have played more press.
 
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Caleb59seal said:
It could be a number of reasons.... Either the coach doesn't have faith in their corners to do it or like zone coverage better... I have noticed the college teams that I watch I think with the exception of Tennessee are doing some flatfoot reading which means they stay anywhere from 7-9 yards away from the receiver watch the quarterbacks first three steps which tells the CB if it's going to be a short route like a slant or a curl or just a out to the flats something like that.... But if you look at Florida they did a lot of it because they believed their ones were better than other teams ones... A lot depends on scheme and what kinda talent you recruit.... Lastly it depends on what kinda philosiphy the defense has if it's read and react or attack.... If you are a defense that wants to spill or fill.... Spill push runners to the outside fill bottle them up inside.... It depends on a lot of things... My personal opinion is the best coverage to run period is cover 1 meaning one high safety and the rest of the CB's are playing man.... Watch te difference on how they used Tabor and how we use someone like crap forgot number 28's name...
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Doesn't cover one pretty much leave a mismatch with the LB's to cover the backs and TE's?
 
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vtvol98 said:
Then what is Tennessee doing if they are not "flat foot reading" as well? I figured with the type of pressure defense that Shoop prefers to run that Sutton, when healthy, and Martin because of his size would have played more press.
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Martin was too inconsistent all year an played immature in my opinion... Don't know how much trust you put on a guy like that... The reason for press man is to knock the receiver off his spot or his path and disrupting the timing of the quarterback which means QB is taking a drop and when he gets to that third or fifth drop the receiver needs to be at his spot because that ball is coming out... You don't necessarily have to press when blitzing because the whole idea is to get to the quarterback or disrupt his timing and when you blitz that means your taking a guy that would typically be in coverage and taking him out so you are creating a void when you blitz so the corner needs to cover not ground and if you play press then he could be at a disadvantage just from postion.
 
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vtvol98 said:
Doesn't cover one pretty much leave a mismatch with the LB's to cover the backs and TE's?
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Usually the SS will cover the TE and yea a LB will cover a RB unless your in nickel which is a nickel back substituted usually for the Sam linebacker or strong side linebacker...
 
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Caleb59seal said:
Martin was too inconsistent all year an played immature in my opinion... Don't know how much trust you put on a guy like that... The reason for press man is to knock the receiver off his spot or his path and disrupting the timing of the quarterback which means QB is taking a drop and when he gets to that third or fifth drop the receiver needs to be at his spot because that ball is coming out... You don't necessarily have to press when blitzing because the whole idea is to get to the quarterback or disrupt his timing and when you blitz that means your taking a guy that would typically be in coverage and taking him out so you are creating a void when you blitz so the corner needs to cover not ground and if you play press then he could be at a disadvantage just from postion.
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Martin is big enough to jam receivers off of their routes. He just had a problem getting his head around down the field in coverage leading to many PI's.
 
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vtvol98 said:
Martin is big enough to jam receivers off of their routes. He just had a problem getting his head around down the field in coverage leading to many PI's.
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Yea he is big enough but it doesn't take very much for you to lose a receiver playing press... If he is on a go route and faster than you then your screwed you just have to high shoulder him and control his speed... That's called staying "in phase" with a receiver which you are in the best vertical and horizontal postion of the WR according to where you are lined up "the split" of the receiver and what coverage your running "where is your Safety at" maybe they don't think he has qualified mechanics to play press successfully....
 
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Seems to me that football is so very simple but so very complicated. If you break down an individual play its relatively easy for someone with reasonable intelligence to understand. What goes into getting on the field is what makes the difference to me. Just my 2 cents.
 
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stevenrich2003 said:
Seems to me that football is so very simple but so very complicated. If you break down an individual play its relatively easy for someone with reasonable intelligence to understand. What goes into getting on the field is what makes the difference to me. Just my 2 cents.
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exactly.... The amount of prep time and the techniques that go into it and what you do against what look and what you do against what coverage.... If a person can understand the why behind the game it makes watching a lot more fun... A mental chest game is going on....
 
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