Butch Jones 10 Years as HC

[chargervol]

Anyone else ever get this feeling when reading these threads?
It's like watching that movie with your child for the 12th time. You know exactly what everyone is going to say, exactly who's going to say it, exactly what's going to happen, and you still do your best to act surprised?

 

[volfannbama]

Outstanding post that unfortunately will fall on deaf ears. I think the vast majority of us are in the same boat with you. We just don't post on a daily basis about it like some of the extremists do.

Behr is probably one of the best posters on here, even though he/she gives me crap all the time.

Most of us are actually very similar in though, some can just put it into words better and some can help having knee jerk reactions. What I see most is others want to invalidate a point by reacting to the far extreme of what a person is trying to say. Reminds me of the President Bush quote from the Dallas Police Officer funeral.

 

[BeardedVol]

I think I'd be OK with 4 conference championships every 10 years. That's a lot more than we've been winning.

Then that would be 2 in 10 years, as we don't do ties in the SEC. But to even compete for a conf championship, you have to at least make it to the game, which CBJ has yet to do, so...

 

[volfannbama]

Cool non-relevant story, bro.

Not very irrelevant if we have playoff of Sugar Bowl level talent and we play in mid tier bowls every year.

 

[Sandman 423]

We (Butch critics - because he deserves it) are not going anywhere either but you are welcome to continue b****ing about it. :hi:

 

[BeardedVol]

I agree.
But, the effort required to prove he is a good coach is only "required" because so much effort is put forth to prove he's not.
.

Pointing out CBJ's conference record at UT, isn't really that much effort, which is pretty much mediocre to bad, regardless of the talent level he's had each season.

 

[Coachmike17]

step 1 - find traffic
step 2 - go lay in it

You should at least let him go play in it

 

[Iam4utalways]

Anyone else ever get this feeling when reading these threads?
It's like watching that movie with your child for the 12th time. You know exactly what everyone is going to say, exactly who's going to say it, exactly what's going to happen, and you still do your best to act surprised?

The boredom of the off season is strong. At least watching Frozen for the umpteenth time keeps the kids occupied. Threads like this that rehash the same ole same ole are better than Mickey Mouse Play House(no offense to the MM fans, honestly it's very entertaining).

 

[Coachmike17]

I challenge your notion that we have to start all over again by hiring a new coach.

Better make it a Saban,Harbaugh or Dabo type coach or you run the risk . Just my opinion but I think 2017 will have us all scratching our heads saying "where's that coach been all along"

Edit: I'll beat the Negas to it, or we'll be scratching our azz saying "who's the next coach" lol

 

[overseasorange2]

Very average numbers. And making it to a bowl this last decade isn't very hard.

But, but , But only the top 80 teams go to a bowl....

 

[BeardedVol]

... I think 2017 will have us all scratching our heads saying "where's that coach been all along"

Honest question, what have you seen in the last four seasons that makes you think that will be the case?

 

[WiseOlVol]

Can I ask you an honest question?

Why did you feel the need to put "probably the longest active streak in FBS?" Trying to prove, whatever point you are trying to prove and putting probably in the write up is probably not a good idea.

Sorry, don't have time to look at 128 HC records. But I couldn't think of any.

 

[Behr]

Pointing out CBJ's conference record at UT, isn't really that much effort, which is pretty much mediocre to bad, regardless of the talent level he's had each season.

Just so you know.

I make an effort to understand and get along with almost everyone. Sometimes I succeed and sometimes dont, but I try.

I tried with you. I failed. Last exchange I had with you, I was told I brought nothing but little sarcastic comments that added nothing to the conversation. I told you to ask me anything you wanted. Anything, and I would give you my honest, straight opinion.

Your response to that post and my next two was, stupid memes about being butthurt and straw man arguments, with no "text" from you. Just the memes.

This is the kindest way I know how to say, you got me, you showed me. I'm done with you.

 

[WiseOlVol]

Op, I like you and all, but I'm not sure this was the way to go.

Most who think that Jones is a great coach, state so because his record is okay.. despite injuries or Hurd or what he inherited (blah blah blah) without that, you kinda gift wrapped this one.

And judging by the sheer number of them and the number of posts already made, they've been chomping at the bit all morning waiting for something like this.
It's like you installed a urinal cake that said " I'm still optimistic". You gave these guys nothing but a target.

I didn't take a position one way or the other.
Just reporting.

 

[WiseOlVol]

Really isn't much impressive at all. 59% wins at TN and 63% win overall (Roughly averages a 7-5 season). Six bowls in a row but he underachieved to end up in crappy bowl this year. Had he not messed up, he would be in Sugar Bowl against OU. Now that would be something to put in your resume !! Add a SEC championship game to that, had he not sucked against USCjr.
Oh wait, add another SEC title game to that had he not blown double digit leads to OU, FL and Arky last year !!

Man .. i just killed your buzz, didn't I ?

I "liked" your post. Good analysis.

PS. With our attrition, we get smoked by Alabama in SECCG and again by Oklahoma in Sugar.

 

[UTwick]

2-2 vs Vandy
0-3 vs Muschamp

are all the stats you need to know. If Butch had some conference (real conference like SEC) or NC wins those horrible stats could be excused to some extent, but he does not.

Add Saban to that list too. Would be nice to periodically pull off the upset like the Vols BB team does with Kentucky.

 

[TNinSC]

And to be fair. He's actually 3-2 against Vandy. One win at Cinci with the team he lost to Dooley with.

 

[chargervol]

I didn't take a position one way or the other.
Just reporting.

Looking back now, I realize you didn't.
Somewhere in all the attacks being launched at you, I guess I forgot that you just stated the numbers.
We really do have a lot of azzholes on this site, you didn't take a stance and still took heat from them. My apologies to you.

 

[BigOrangeTrain]

8 bowl appearances in 10 years
6-2 in bowls
6 bowl wins in a row*
80-48 (62.5%)
30-21 at UT (58.8%)

*Probably longest active streak in FBS

Uh sorry chief but your stats are wrong. He has only been to 6 bowl games. He has won 4 in a row. Oh and if we are bringing up stats, 2-2 against Vandy. 0-3 against Muschamp. Zero wins over SEC west teams. 3-18 against ranked opponents.

Butch Jones Coaching Record | College Football at Sports-Reference.com

https://www.seccountry.com/sec/every-current-sec-head-coach-vs-ranked-teams

 

[volfannbama]

Sorry, don't have time to look at 128 HC records. But I couldn't think of any.

Then why put it at all? Honestly, do you believe all these meaningless stats and story lines take away the obvious defecencies of talent development and in game coaching?

 

[WiseOlVol]

Better make it a Saban,Harbaugh or Dabo type coach or you run the risk . Just my opinion but I think 2017 will have us all scratching our heads saying "where's that coach been all along"

Edit: I'll beat the Negas to it, or we'll be scratching our azz saying "who's the next coach" lol

Harbaugh?
You're talking about Harbaugh?
He's finished 3rd in the div both years at UM.
Started 10 seniors and Peppers on D all year.
Projected to have 4 1st rounders (5 if Jake Butt not hurt)
And they pay him $9 million. Has 2 asst coaches making >$1 million.
Finished 1-3 and lost to an Iowa team Butch beat the pants off.
Michigan is all hat and no cattle: 1 NC (shared) since 1948.
2-14 v Ohio State (1-11)
Harbaugh is a media darling bc he's a clown.

 

[BeecherVol]

Harbaugh?
You're talking about Harbaugh?
He's finished 3rd in the div both years at UM.
Started 10 seniors and Peppers on D all year.
Projected to have 4 1st rounders (5 if Jake Butt not hurt)
And they pay him $9 million. Has 2 asst coaches making >$1 million.
Finished 1-3 and lost to an Iowa team Butch beat the pants off.
Michigan is all hat and no cattle: 1 NC (shared) since 1948.
2-14 v Ohio State (1-11)
Harbaugh is a media darling bc he's a clown.

Irony

 

[WiseOlVol]

Then why put it at all? Honestly, do you believe all these meaningless stats and story lines take away the obvious defecencies of talent development and in game coaching?

How about this: "Can anyone think of a HC who's won his last 6 bowl games? I can't. Here's a few I'm sure of:

Saban
Meyer
Stoops
Jimbo Fischer
Dabo Swinney
M. Richt
Brian Kelly
Chip Kelly
Sumlin
Jame Franklin
Hugh Freeze
Jim McElwain
Dan Mullen
Bret Bielema
Gus Malzahn
Mark Dantonio
Kirk Ferentz
Jim Harbaugh

These are the guys who make more money than Butch, plus Brian Kelly."

 

[Behr]

How about this: "Can anyone think of a HC who's won his last 6 bowl games? I can't. Here's a few I'm sure of:

Saban
Meyer
Stoops
Jimbo Fischer
Dabo Swinney
M. Richt
Brian Kelly
Chip Kelly
Sumlin
Jame Franklin
Hugh Freeze
Jim McElwain
Dan Mullen
Bret Bielema
Gus Malzahn
Mark Dantonio
Kirk Ferentz
Jim Harbaugh

These are the guys who make more money than Butch, plus Brian Kelly."

But, you have to be fair. I know "they" usually aren't, but that shouldn't matter. Look at the bowls some of those coaches have lost. I see playoff bowls and several NC bowls.

I agree with what your doing fwiw, just think you should at least try to make it less painful, haha, by being fair.

 

[WiseOlVol]

But, you have to be fair. I know "they" usually aren't, but that shouldn't matter. Look at the bowls some of those coaches have lost. I see playoff bowls and several NC bowls.

I agree with what your doing fwiw, just think you should at least try to make it less painful, haha, by being fair.

Fair point.
Didn't mean to imply that we are playing in great bowls. Just bowls.
And anybody can lose any bowl at any time.
For one reason or another, Butch hasn't. TFWIW.

PS. I note the observation that Butch was not the game day HC of two teams who won bowls, as he'd moved to a better job in December. But they were HIS teams, and the qualify of their play is why he got the better jobs.