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barrylee said:
Any business! I am a sales manager and if I have several candidates with similar attributes but one of them I've worked with before and I know I can count on, I take the known one every time..
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And there's like three degrees of separation in college coaching.
Either you or at least one member of your staff has either worked with the other person or is close to someone who has. Heck, if you haven't met, then they set up a coach's conference so you can meet.

You would find the same at every other school if you looked. The "buddy system" is just another one of those ff - repeat until it becomes accepted truth.
 
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chavisut said:
There was a huge difference between our overall offensive production after the SCe game when our schedule got light.
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We averaged over 36 points per game. The only game we scored less than 20 points was the Bama game when we had to so many injuries our sideline looked like a trauma ward. We scored over 30 points in 9 out of 13 games. Offense was nowhere near our biggest issue last year. It certainly could have been better but it was not the problem.
 
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chavisut said:
There was a huge difference between our overall offensive production after the SCe game when our schedule got light.
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I didn't like the hire but, I don't think Deboard was quite the problem that most of us, including myself, thought. He was a liability at times but not for the entire season and not to the overall detriment of the team.

The offense was not the problem this year, it definitely had its moments though.

No s&c coach, Hurd and the internal issues he caused, AK having the reigns on him for half the season (I got a lot of flack for saying he was the best back on the team), the injuries, more injuries, ALL OF THE INJURIES, and a lack of cohesiveness within the defensive coaching staff were all ahead of the issues with the offense.
 
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glichtenwalter said:
We averaged over 36 points per game. The only game we scored less than 20 points was the Bama game when we had to so many injuries our sideline looked like a trauma ward. We scored over 30 points in 9 out of 13 games. Offense was nowhere near our biggest issue last year. It certainly could have been better but it was not the problem.
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I was looking at production up until SCe and post.

First 8 games PPG was 29. Last 5 was 48.
 
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orangeblood79 said:
I didn't like the hire but, I don't think Deboard was quite the problem that most of us, including myself, thought. He was a liability at times but not for the entire season and not to the overall detriment of the team.

The offense was not the problem this year, it definitely had its moments though.

No s&c coach, Hurd and the internal issues he caused, AK having the reigns on him for half the season (I got a lot of flack for saying he was the best back on the team), the injuries, more injuries, ALL OF THE INJURIES, and a lack of cohesiveness within the defensive coaching staff were all ahead of the issues with the offense.
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And we somehow still went 9-4. All of what you said makes the record not look as bad as we feel it is. If Butch can right the ship with the S&C program and a few other things, and Shoop can get this defense to perform the way his defenses usually perform, I think we will be just fine.
 
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chavisut said:
I was looking at production up until SCe and post.

First 8 games PPG was 29. Last 5 was 48.
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All teams have hard and easy opponents including past UT teams, whose records we broke. Given all teams have a varying schedule and score more with the lighter opponents, I've never felt the need to justify or disect, doing the same.
 
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OGbabyaviVol said:
And we somehow still went 9-4. All of what you said makes the record not look as bad as we feel it is. If Butch can right the ship with the S&C program and a few other things, and Shoop can get this defense to perform the way his defenses usually perform, I think we will be just fine.
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Definitely a glass half full point of view, possible too.

I'm not quite there but that doesn't make what you said untrue.
 
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Z06VolinWV said:
The first team on Sirius this morning was discussing the Scott to OC promotion. They didn't say that it was awful, but seemed a bit perplexed by it. Biggest concern was he's never been an OC, and he's getting his start in the SEC!
The wondered why Tennessee cannot attract big name assistants in the offensive side of the ball, even going back to the Debored hire.
They came to the conclusion that the high level of scrutiny CBJ gets is the reason, and bc the uncertainty of his future.
However, Malzahn makes a great hire while having a considerably hotter seat than Jones?!?!
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Malzahn did not make a great hire. Much like Jones, any coach on the hot seat will have difficulty. That's why you hire someone that avoids a system change and a complete collapse.
 
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Z06VolinWV said:
The first team on Sirius this morning was discussing the Scott to OC promotion. They didn't say that it was awful, but seemed a bit perplexed by it. Biggest concern was he's never been an OC, and he's getting his start in the SEC!
The wondered why Tennessee cannot attract big name assistants in the offensive side of the ball, even going back to the Debored hire.
They came to the conclusion that the high level of scrutiny CBJ gets is the reason, and bc the uncertainty of his future.
However, Malzahn makes a great hire while having a considerably hotter seat than Jones?!?!
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All about perception. The new Auburn OC may be a good hire, but he doesn't have a long resume either. He has mostly been a HS coach until 2013. I think he was at Troy one year and was an analyst at Auburn in 2013. He then was hired as OC at Southern Miss and then at ASU. If Bruin has concerns about the team records that Canalas has coached for, then he should check these too. I don't think any of those 3 teams had winning records. People need to do the research.
 
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chavisut said:
I was looking at production up until SCe and post.

First 8 games PPG was 29. Last 5 was 48.
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Your point being made seems devoid of purpose. So our offense did "better" against the weakest part of our schedule!?!? Wow, that's an amazing revelation. I assume the best teams in the country didn't do the same? So the actual important question is did our offense perform well against the best teams on our schedule? I think overall, yes. Alabama game we looked bad on offense, against the best defense in the county, during the end of a brutal stretch, with tons of injuries. USCe was the other time our offense looked bad. No reason for that. Dobbs performed so bad that our offense couldn't do anything. Bad performance from top to bottom.
 
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therickbol said:
Your point being made seems devoid of purpose. So our offense did "better" against the weakest part of our schedule!?!? Wow, that's an amazing revelation. I assume the best teams in the country didn't do the same? So the actual important question is did our offense perform well against the best teams on our schedule? I think overall, yes. Alabama game we looked bad on offense, against the best defense in the county, during the end of a brutal stretch, with tons of injuries. USCe was the other time our offense looked bad. No reason for that. Dobbs performed so bad that our offense couldn't do anything. Bad performance from top to bottom.
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Yes. I thought it was an amazing revelation myself. Thanks!

Goodness, I wasn't attempting to make some profound observation.
 
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VolGee4 said:
All about perception. The new Auburn OC may be a good hire, but he doesn't have a long resume either. He has mostly been a HS coach until 2013. I think he was at Troy one year and was an analyst at Auburn in 2013. He then was hired as OC at Southern Miss and then at ASU. If Bruin has concerns about the team records that Canalas has coached for, then he should check these too. I don't think any of those 3 teams had winning records. People need to do the research.
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I have missed the people praising the Auburn hire at OC. That's crazy talk. That hiring process was a cluster. Auburn was turned down by candidates. Other candidates were not going to get approval from the powers-that-be. They 100% settled on the guy that will be the new OC.
 
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therickbol said:
Your point being made seems devoid of purpose. So our offense did "better" against the weakest part of our schedule!?!? Wow, that's an amazing revelation. I assume the best teams in the country didn't do the same? So the actual important question is did our offense perform well against the best teams on our schedule? I think overall, yes. Alabama game we looked bad on offense, against the best defense in the county, during the end of a brutal stretch, with tons of injuries. USCe was the other time our offense looked bad. No reason for that. Dobbs performed so bad that our offense couldn't do anything. Bad performance from top to bottom.
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It was mention in the MIZZOU game, I think, that Dobbs had a huge project due the week of the SCar game and was up until around 2 in the library a couple of times that week and was subsequently tired an unprepared for the game. We still should have won that game but between that and Hurd quitting at halftime that performance is a little more understandable. Still should have beaten SCar.
 
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If we got the USC and Vandy wins then it would have been a great season. Even with a beating in the SEC Championship, the Sugar Bowl would have been nice. I'm still glad we finished with a strong win over Nebraska and had a good season at 9-4.

It makes you wonder where we would be if we had finished 10-2, played in SECC, and Sugar Bowl. Even if we lost it seems like Butch could have kept selling the growth and improvement of the program more. I hope we finish strong on NSD.
 
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I believe you can make an argument against the offense for 3 games this year: Appalachian State, Alabama, and South Carolina.

Appalachian State- The offense was flat, poorly prepared, and executed poorly for the majority of the game. Somehow, UT still managed to win.

Alabama- When it became apparent that the O-line injuries were too insurmountable, they mailed the game in to try to protect Dobbs and other players.

South Carolina- It was a mess all the way around.

So, UT was 1-2 in games where the offensive production was poor. The other 2 losses were not collectively on the offense. Yes, in the A&M and Vandy games, the offense had very costly turnovers. But, they did more than enough in those games to put enough points on the board to win.

I agree with the previous poster that said, had UT gone 10-2, won the East, and even lost in the SEC title game or gotten the Sugar Bowl the trajectory would be more upward. We'll see what kind of recruiting Butch can do moving forward.

Debord for all his faults, primarily as getting very conservative as a play caller, and not utilizing certain playmakers enough, he did a good job scheming up productive game plans that when executed and minus the turnovers did a really quality job.

Scott has potential, but the offense will take a step back, and hopefully the defense will take a step forward to balance things out and perhaps the VOLS will have a comparable year to last year and aim really high in 2018.

Just my thoughts.
 
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