What round will Josh Dobbs get drafted in, if at all?

[bamawriter]

All 5 are second round prospects at best.

Because that's where you'd draft them, or because that's where you expect the actually professionals to draft them?

If it's the former, I reiterate my offer to send your evaluations to my contact on the Titan's scouting staff.

 

[Dobbs 4 Heisman]

Kicking the can down the road and hoping for huge changes (you're on record in the inverse with Bosa) isn't an impressive defense of one's position.

Time will tell (about these and many other predictions) but dude...you're not looking good at this point.

Some guys have great rookie years only to become busts down the road (i.e. RG3, Vince Young, Sam Bradford, etc.). While others struggle to get off the practice squad as rookies only to become stars down the road (i.e. Arian Foster, James Harrison, Kurt Warner, etc.).

Since this happens, I'm not getting off my pre-draft predictions regarding Joey Bosa and Kelvin Taylor. I still believe Joey Bosa will ultimately be viewed as a bust given his draft position and I still believe Kelvin Taylor will be a pretty good starting RB in the NFL. I've seen nothing in the past year to dissuade me from my pre-draft projections.

 

[Dobbs 4 Heisman]

Because that's where you'd draft them, or because that's where you expect the actually professionals to draft them?

If it's the former, I reiterate my offer to send your evaluations to my contact on the Titan's scouting staff.

Neither. Its where their value will ultimately be viewed 5 years from now when we have full body of work on their professional careers.

Whenever I say Josh Dobbs is a first round prospect or when I say Barnett is a low first round prospect, I'm not saying that is where I expect them to be picked or even where I would pick them if I were a GM. Its where I think their value ultimately will be when their NFL career is looked back upon.

For example, you all know I'm high on Dobbs. But if I was magically made into an NFL GM, I wouldn't draft him in the first round. If I knew everyone else thought less of him than I did, I would try to pick Dobbs in the latest round I could ahead of anyone else. Since most value Dobbs at best in the 3rd or 4th round, the earliest I would pick Dobbs is the late 2nd round if I knew I could get him that low without the risk of losing him to someone else.

When I come out with my list of prospects its my projection of how they will ultimately be viewed once their playing careers take form. Not where I expect them to get drafted. Or in some cases where I would draft them.

 

[hndog609]

Since this happens, I'm not getting off my pre-draft predictions regarding Joey Bosa and Kelvin Taylor. I still believe Joey Bosa will ultimately be viewed as a bust given his draft position and I still believe Kelvin Taylor will be a pretty good starting RB in the NFL. I've seen nothing in the past year to dissuade me from my pre-draft projections.

Out of curiosity (and I'm being earnest in just wanting to know) exactly how long is the wait before we start vetting* the good/bust status of these players?

*You realize this stance basically eliminates you being able to point out failures by other prognosticators under the goose/gander rule.

 

[Dobbs 4 Heisman]

All you guys looking for negative draft press surrounding Dobbs, here is a positive one: NFL Scouting Combine Watch: Joshua Dobbs - Muskogee Phoenix College Football Experts Club

The 2017 NFL Draft looks to be yet another edition of the event where quarterback-starved franchises are digging deeper than they normally do in hopes of finding a long-term solution at the most critical position. This is evident in North Carolina's Mitch Trubisky, a relative unknown in the eyes of casual football fans, sitting at the top of nearly every scout and outlet's quarterback draft rankings.

It's a year where instead of production and obvious "it" factor, NFL teams are resigned to settle for the quarterback that appears to have all of the tools to succeed at the next level.

As a result, Tennessee quarterback Joshua Dobbs has gotten lost in the mix.

Dobbs has everything you'd want in an NFL starting quarterback. For starters, he has appealing size (6-3, 210). He's extremely mobile – both in the pocket and as a runner – yet he is more of a drop-back passer. He throws one of the prettier balls of any prospect available in 2017 and he does so with accuracy when he has time.

While at Tennessee, he mastered a spread offense similar to what many NFL teams are currently running. But this shouldn’t come as a surprise considering he’s an Aerospace Engineering major, excelling in the program and even interning during in spring 2015 for a project that was developing the engine for the military's next fighter jet.

Whether or not he can decipher NFL defenses should be the least of concerns when drafting Dobbs.

Heading into the NFL Scouting Combine and the various pre-draft activities, most scouts and mock drafts have Dobbs as a late-round pick, falling in the latter part of the sixth and early seventh rounds. If he indeed falls that far, he must be considered a steal at that point. He's a proven winner who played in a big-time conference for a program with a lot of pressure and attention on it.

Dobbs has proven to be an elite learner in the classroom. Common sense tells us that he would have no issues carrying that trait to NFL film rooms and sidelines, soaking in the knowledge necessary to be a starting quarterback on the next level.

If he can show confidence, impress in the interview rooms as he is expected to, and make all of his throws with ease like he did during his time in Knoxville, I would not be shocked to see a team move up and take a gamble on him late in the third or early in the fourth round.


— Written by J.P. Scott, who is part of the Athlon Contributor Network. His work has appeared on SI.com, FoxSports.com, Yahoo! and Bleacher Report. Follow him on Twitter @TheJPScott.

Pretty much summarizes my feelings. Dobbs will impress at the senior bowl, combine, and pro day. He's got all the physical tools you could ask for. Some team will fall in love with him and take him alot higher than all the "experts" assume right now. I think 2nd round is possible. 3rd round most likely. And with the 4th round being the lowest he potentially goes.

 

[Dobbs 4 Heisman]

Out of curiosity (and I'm being earnest in just wanting to know) exactly how long is the wait before we start vetting* the good/bust status of these players?

*You realize this stance basically eliminates you being able to point out failures by other prognosticators under the goose/gander rule.

With most players we can know by year 2-3. If Bosa keeps up his production or even ups it and becomes a pro bowler his 2nd and 3rd season, then I will admit I was wrong and that he isn't a bust. Similarly if Kelvin Taylor can't get off the practice squad by year 2 or year 3 we'll know he isn't the player I thought he was.

Year 1 if very iffy. There have been many guys who have looked great only to fail later while others have not looked that good only to become big on the time stars later.

However, by year 2 and year 3 we kind of get a full picture on what type of NFL player a kid will be.

 

[hndog609]

With most players we can know by year 2-3. If Bosa keeps up his production or even ups it and becomes a pro bowler his 2nd and 3rd season, then I will admit I was wrong and that he isn't a bust. Similarly if Kelvin Taylor can't get off the practice squad by year 2 or year 3 we'll know he isn't the player I thought he was.

Year 1 if very iffy. There have been many guys who have looked great only to fail later while others have not looked that good only to become big on the time stars later.

However, by year 2 and year 3 we kind of get a full picture on what type of NFL player a kid will be.

Fair enough. Just realize this post goes a long way in pulling the teeth out of any criticisms you have about any evaluations by others under the same criteria.

 

[BearCat204]

All you guys looking for negative draft press surrounding Dobbs, here is a positive one: NFL Scouting Combine Watch: Joshua Dobbs - Muskogee Phoenix College Football Experts Club




Pretty much summarizes my feelings. Dobbs will impress at the senior bowl, combine, and pro day. He's got all the physical tools you could ask for. Some team will fall in love with him and take him alot higher than all the "experts" assume right now. I think 2nd round is possible. 3rd round most likely. And with the 4th round being the lowest he potentially goes.

You are all over the place kid

 

[KBVol]

All you guys looking for negative draft press surrounding Dobbs, here is a positive one: NFL Scouting Combine Watch: Joshua Dobbs - Muskogee Phoenix College Football Experts Club

Pretty much summarizes my feelings. Dobbs will impress at the senior bowl, combine, and pro day. He's got all the physical tools you could ask for. Some team will fall in love with him and take him alot higher than all the "experts" assume right now. I think 2nd round is possible. 3rd round most likely. And with the 4th round being the lowest he potentially goes.

Your problem is that you put way too much stock in the opinions of the Muskogee Phoenix College Football Experts Club

 

[butchna]

Mel Kiper has Barnett going in the First Round with the 31st pick to the Atlanta Falcons.

Alabama has 6 guys in the First Round.

At one point, dude didn't even have him as a first rounder...but Carl Lawson top 10. If you're investing stock in Widow's Peak.

 

[volnbama_]

Don't know, Thomas and Coleman have been pretty good this year. I think the biggest steal of the draft was definitely Jordan Howard.

I went to high school with Howard, great kid. He has been overlooked his whole life. He completely dominated every level of football he played at

 

[hndog609]

Your problem is that you put way too much stock in the opinions of the Muskogee Phoenix College Football Experts Club

You must know by now that the validity of any expert's opinion should be judged on how closely it coincides with D4H's.

 

[bamawriter]

All you guys looking for negative draft press surrounding Dobbs, here is a positive one: NFL Scouting Combine Watch: Joshua Dobbs - Muskogee Phoenix College Football Experts Club


The 2017 NFL Draft looks to be yet another edition of the event where quarterback-starved franchises are digging deeper than they normally do in hopes of finding a long-term solution at the most critical position. This is evident in North Carolina's Mitch Trubisky, a relative unknown in the eyes of casual football fans, sitting at the top of nearly every scout and outlet's quarterback draft rankings.

It's a year where instead of production and obvious "it" factor, NFL teams are resigned to settle for the quarterback that appears to have all of the tools to succeed at the next level.

As a result, Tennessee quarterback Joshua Dobbs has gotten lost in the mix.

Dobbs has everything you'd want in an NFL starting quarterback. For starters, he has appealing size (6-3, 210). He's extremely mobile – both in the pocket and as a runner – yet he is more of a drop-back passer. He throws one of the prettier balls of any prospect available in 2017 and he does so with accuracy when he has time.

While at Tennessee, he mastered a spread offense similar to what many NFL teams are currently running. But this shouldn’t come as a surprise considering he’s an Aerospace Engineering major, excelling in the program and even interning during in spring 2015 for a project that was developing the engine for the military's next fighter jet.

Whether or not he can decipher NFL defenses should be the least of concerns when drafting Dobbs.

Heading into the NFL Scouting Combine and the various pre-draft activities, most scouts and mock drafts have Dobbs as a late-round pick, falling in the latter part of the sixth and early seventh rounds. If he indeed falls that far, he must be considered a steal at that point. He's a proven winner who played in a big-time conference for a program with a lot of pressure and attention on it.

Dobbs has proven to be an elite learner in the classroom. Common sense tells us that he would have no issues carrying that trait to NFL film rooms and sidelines, soaking in the knowledge necessary to be a starting quarterback on the next level.

If he can show confidence, impress in the interview rooms as he is expected to, and make all of his throws with ease like he did during his time in Knoxville, I would not be shocked to see a team move up and take a gamble on him late in the third or early in the fourth round.

No offense to the fine folks at Muskogee Phoenix (who I had literally never heard of prior to this moment), but the bold comments range from "a stretch" to "laughable."

 

[BearCat204]

I went to high school with Howard, great kid. He has been overlooked his whole life. He completely dominated every level of football he played at

Didn't know you went to Gardendale. My high school coach's son is the head coach there, Matt Plunkett. He was our ball boy when I played lol.

 

[OneVolNation]

I think they republished J.P. Scott's article from Athlon Sports or the Muskogee Phoenix could be part of its syndication network.


https://athlonsports.com/nfl/nfl-scouting-combine-watch-tennessee-quarterback-joshua-dobbs-2017

 

[volnbama_]

Didn't know you went to Gardendale. My high school coach's son is the head coach there, Matt Plunkett. He was our ball boy when I played lol.

He's done a good job with the program. If he was there when Howard was there they would have won state. Ardarius Stewart was also at gardendale before having to move to Fultondale

 

[BearCat204]

He's done a good job with the program. If he was there when Howard was there they would have won state. Ardarius Stewart was also at gardendale before having to move to Fultondale

He has.....just crazy seeing him coaching at a big HS program like that when I remember him getting my water lol

 

[Dobbs 4 Heisman]

No offense to the fine folks at Muskogee Phoenix (who I had literally never heard of prior to this moment), but the bold comments range from "a stretch" to "laughable."

Dobbs does throw a pretty ball. Almost everyone of his throws has a tight spiral and great velocity.

And he has been accurate when given time. 63% passing in the SEC while also leading the conference in passes TDs beyond 20 yards is pretty good. He didn't get that completion percentage dinking and dunking it like Jalen Hurts.

He's also a proven winner. He took the Tennessee program from 5-7 and no bowl game in 3 straight years to back to back 9-4 seasons and 3 straight bowl wins. In fact, he changed the culture at Tennessee to such a degree that a 9 win season with wins over Florida and Georgia was seen as a failure. Before he arrived that Tennessee, a 9-4 season with wins over Florida and Georgia would have been cause for celebration.

Nothing in that article was a stretch or out of line.

 

[TrueOrange]

He was still on the practice squad for 2/3 of the year. Injuries moved him into the roster. And he was playing behind a guy named Steve Slaton. So it's not like Houston had elite talent keeping him off the active roster for nearly the entire season.

You keep bringing up the fact Kelvin was on the practice squad as evidence he must not be good.

What does that make Arian Foster then since he spent 2/3 of his rookie year on the practice squad while some guy named Steve Slaton was the starting RB for the Houston Texans?

These NFL coaches are not infallible. If they knew what they had in players all the time, we wouldn't see backups coming in year after year and outperforming the starters to ultimately win the job. The Texans coaches kept Foster on the practice squad cause they couldn't see his talent. Luck gave him a chance and he made the most of it.

Kelvin will get a shot soon and when he does I'm confident he'll make the most of it like Foster did. He's got the talent. He just needs the chance.

If I said Arian Foster was the best RB in the 2009 draft and he went on to go undrafted, spent 2/3 of the season on the practice squad, and then only played a few games with marginal production, you would be saying the same thing you are saying right now about Kelvin Taylor.

Then the 2010 season would have come and Arian Foster would run for 1600 yards and my prediction would now look genius.

All I'm saying is give this time. I just watched some film of Kelvin Taylor last night and am still wowed at his skill level. I'm still confident he will shine when he gets that chance.

It would be closer to 1/2 the season on practice squad, not 2/3. Foster was moved to active roster on Nov 17, which was the Texans' bye between their 9th and 10th games (he was active for the last 7 games).

 

[bamawriter]

Dobbs does throw a pretty ball. Almost everyone of his throws has a tight spiral and great velocity.

But it was often a crapshoot whether it would be catchable or not.

And he has been accurate when given time.

Any halfway decent QB is going to be accurate when given time. Tell me how he did when the pocket was collapsing on every play, because none of us can be sure what kind of blocking he'll get at the next level.

 

[Dudleys87]

While he did bounce between the roster and the practice squad, as well as between teams, Harrison was active on gameday multiple times and saw the field during his rookie year, albeit on special teams.



There's a better example, though he was never on a team's practice squad. Though with the existence of the Europe Developmental league, that's not really much of a distinction.

However, I asked you for a running back. That's important, because running backs have arguably the shortest shelf life of any position in the NFL, and every year that one doesn't see the field is a really big deal.

Warner isn't in the HOF?

 

[bamawriter]

Warner isn't in the HOF?

No, but it seems likely he'll go in this year.

 

[Dobbs 4 Heisman]

But it was often a crapshoot whether it would be catchable or not.

Any halfway decent QB is going to be accurate when given time. Tell me how he did when the pocket was collapsing on every play, because none of us can be sure what kind of blocking he'll get at the next level.

Whatever blocking he gets in the NFL will be better than the blocking he got at Tennessee. His blocking at Tennessee was abysmal. His wide receivers were also very subpar. That is the major reason I think he'll succeed in the NFL. He'll have more talent around him in the pass game.

 

[VOL-uh-tile]

Dobbs does throw a pretty ball. Almost everyone of his throws has a tight spiral and great velocity.

And he has been accurate when given time. 63% passing in the SEC while also leading the conference in passes TDs beyond 20 yards is pretty good. He didn't get that completion percentage dinking and dunking it like Jalen Hurts.

He's also a proven winner. He took the Tennessee program from 5-7 and no bowl game in 3 straight years to back to back 9-4 seasons and 3 straight bowl wins. In fact, he changed the culture at Tennessee to such a degree that a 9 win season with wins over Florida and Georgia was seen as a failure. Before he arrived that Tennessee, a 9-4 season with wins over Florida and Georgia would have been cause for celebration.

Nothing in that article was a stretch or out of line.

He did all of that by himself? Wow what a guy, guess he didn't have any talented receivers, linemen, rbs to help him...

 

[YankeeVol]

Dobbs does throw a pretty ball. Almost everyone of his throws has a tight spiral and great velocity.

And he has been accurate when given time. 63% passing in the SEC while also leading the conference in passes TDs beyond 20 yards is pretty good. He didn't get that completion percentage dinking and dunking it like Jalen Hurts.

He's also a proven winner. He took the Tennessee program from 5-7 and no bowl game in 3 straight years to back to back 9-4 seasons and 3 straight bowl wins. In fact, he changed the culture at Tennessee to such a degree that a 9 win season with wins over Florida and Georgia was seen as a failure. Before he arrived that Tennessee, a 9-4 season with wins over Florida and Georgia would have been cause for celebration.

Nothing in that article was a stretch or out of line.

Losing to Vandy and SC will do that. Who's the last Tennessee QB to lose to Vandy twice?