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OGbabyaviVol said:
I didn't say he was on the field. You do know it's pretty easy to video Hurts or Dobbs the entire practice, then have the player sit in the film room with Sheridan or Sarkisian, and have the QB be coached based off of the film from practice, right? You know, in a film room, where there are no cameras and no one knows of the interaction between QB and QC assistant?
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I am sure there was some assistance off the field but that is a far cry from saying that Sheriden was the QB coach 100%
 
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BruinVol said:
Lol. Perhaps last year my friend but not this year
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Last year we had 3 scrimmages in neyland. THis fall (2016) we had one. Butch was over seeing it and working the mic and situations while Scott and Martinez were the head coaches for 1st O and 1st D. Nick was the coach for the 2nd O and Thig for the 2nd D.
 
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HankHill said:
Last year we had 3 scrimmages in neyland. THis fall (2016) we had one. Butch was over seeing it and working the mic and situations while Scott and Martinez were the head coaches for 1st O and 1st D. Nick was the coach for the 2nd O and Thig for the 2nd D.
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Post it enough and VN will believe it's true even though it would be an NCAA violation out it clear view for all to see.
 
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BruinVol said:
I am sure there was some assistance off the field but that is a far cry from saying that Sheriden was the QB coach 100%
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Sheridan was the guy that spent the most time with them. He was allowed to coach in practice just not on Gameday. Debord still ran all QB meetings and worked with them too but when he would have to babysit Mahoney Sheridan would take over
 
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Nashvegas31 said:
Sheridan was the guy that spent the most time with them. He was allowed to coach in practice just not on Gameday. Debord still ran all QB meetings and worked with them too but when he would have to babysit Mahoney Sheridan would take over
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Everything I see says the QC can be involved with practice planning but not on field coaching.

Can you provide the rule saying that is allowed?
 
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OGbabyaviVol said:
Btw, just because NCAA says QC assistants aren't supposed to be teaching the players, doesn't mean it doesn't happen. Do you seriously believe Jalen Hurts had zero contact with Sarkisian all year, then has the plays being called by him for the NC game? I don't. That's what has been told to the media, so that they are in accordance with the NCAA rules.
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He had no reason to interact with Sark, Kiffin was his position coach and OC. QC guys aren't regularly coaching up players I'm pretty sure, they provide input to coaches.
 
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HankHill said:
GAs can help with practice. I'm not sure where you're getting this at.
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QC cannot, at least I'm pretty sure that's how it works. Sheridan was not a GA this past year.

Edit, yes, GA can coach, QC cannot.

NCAA Article 11: Conduct and Employment of Athletics Personnel:

11.7.2 Football Bowl Subdivision - There shall be a limit of one head coach, nine assistant coaches and two graduate assistant coaches who may be employed by an institution in bowl subdivision football.

11.7.2.1 Exceptions to Number Limits FBS - No individual other than coaches designated to fill the coaching categories set forth in Bylaw 11.7.2 may participate in any manner in the coaching of the intercollegiate team of a member institution during any football game, practice or other organized activity, with the following exceptions:

11.7.2.1.1 Weight or Strength Coach FBS - A weight (strength and conditioning) coach may conduct flexibility, warm-up and physical conditioning activities prior to any game and prior to or during any practice or other organized activities without being included in the limitations on number of coaches.

11.7.2.1.2 Undergraduate Coach FBS - The limits on the number of coaches in this section do not apply to undergraduate coaches.
 
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HankHill said:
GAs can help with practice. I'm not sure where you're getting this at.
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Found something very curious for you.

The QC coach can be present during practices and it even says can be in the huddle(that's crazy lol) BUT can't have any kind of active role in practice or meeting with players. So they basically have to keep their mouth shut which is crazy
 
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BruinVol said:
Sure they can. Sheriden wasn't a GA this season
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Nick was still taking graduate level courses. He was still technically a GA. A few years ago the NCAA changed rules about GAs which created a big loophole for people to take advantage of. We did it with Mitch browning. We did it for nick.
 
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What is a quality control coach? Rutgers assistant Vince Okruch explains | NJ.com

"The 432-page NCAA rules manual makes no mention of quality control coaches, but the main restriction is that they aren't allowed to work with players on the field."

"Quality control kept the football brain going," Okruch said. "But what's troublesome for me and what drives me crazy is I'm not allowed to coach on the field. You stand out there and you watch practice and the blood pressure starts to rise. You're just like, 'Wow, I'm close.' It's like being in the bleachers and you want to be on the bench, or if you're on the bench you want to be in the game."

While I don't doubt that some QCs "help" out with practice by mentioning things they are seeing to the on-field coaches, they are not supposed to actually coach on the field. As much of a stickler for compliance that CBJ seems to be, I doubt he would let the program get hemmed up by allowing something like a QC engaging as a coach on the field. If CNS was helping out on the field then there was some loophole or exception that allowed him to do so.
 
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Nashvegas31 said:
Our luck Scott is amazing as OC this year gets HC job and good ole Butch just promotes good ole Canales
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if that happens that means the offense rolled next year, and with them all coming back you could park a cardboard cut out of your OC of choice in the box and it will probably work.
 
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Hank here is the info I found that would make you seeing him the huddle legal.




Permissible-Participate in organized activities involving only the coaching staff or administrative duties.

-Be present at on-campus recruiting activities.

-Receive phone calls from prospects.

-Arrange travel.

-Splice game film.

-Analyze/evaluate videotape of team or opponent.

-Engage in permissible activities in coaches only meetings.

-Attend coaches-student athlete meetings.

-Set up offense/defense strategy.

-Coordinate film exchange

-Sit in dugout/on bench during competitions and be in “huddle” provided no coaching occurs.

Impermissible-Participate in activities that can be considered coaching in nature.

-Perform off-campus recruiting functions.

-Referee team practices.

-Participate in non-organized voluntary activities.

-Review game or practice film with student-athletes.

-Provide instructions to student-athletes at any time.

-Engage in coaching activities in coaches/student-athlete meetings.

–Be identified as coaches.

-Signal in plays from sidelines during practices or games.

-Provide student-athletes an analysis of their practice session or competition.

-Participate in competition related warmup activities.
 
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2008 offseason Fulmer hires Clawson:

Vol nation rejoiced with Fulmer going against the grain and adapting to spread to combat the evil Gator empire that used same system.

2008 season happens.....

Vol nation laments why Phil changed what wasn't broken and blames this hire for his termination.

2012 offseason Dooley hires Sunseri:

Vol nation rejoices that we broke the usual and adapted to what Bama is doing with a 3-4 scheme.

2012 season happens....

Vol nation laments what was both record breaking for both offense and defense and blames Dooley for changing what wasn't broken and ultimately cost him his job.

2017 offseason:

Butch hires coaches that don't change what's not broken in what can be a deciding season for his career. Players have been recruited for this exact scheme.

Vol nation doesn't remember history and *****es and moans again.
 
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Nick was still technically a GA this year. You can refuse to believe it, that's fine. But Nick was on the practice field working primarily with QBs.
 
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Bruin comment ... click click click click ... Bruin comment ... click click click click

It's genius, I tell you.
 
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HankHill said:
Nick was still technically a GA this year. You can refuse to believe it, that's fine. But Nick was on the practice field working primarily with QBs.
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If he was one of the official GA, which doesn't mean he was just a staff member taking grad classes, then yes, he could be coaching. Where do you see that he was a GA not QC? I'm pretty sure 2 years is the limit for being a GA, but I could be wrong.
 
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