What round will Josh Dobbs get drafted in, if at all?

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Matt Miller ✔ @nfldraftscout
Watched more Josh Dobbs this morning for Senior Bowl prep. Barring a major improvement, I didn't give him a draftable grade
8:31 AM - 15 Jan 2017
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Not looking good
 
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TennMan101 said:
https://walterfootball.com/draft2017QB.php

Kirby Smart recently said he predicts Dobbs going in the 3-4 range.

Jimmy Hyams believes him to be another Terrell Pryor (Cleveland Browns) type player.

I believe a team will fall in love with him and draft him in round 4, or so.
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its hard to see him getting drafted IMHO.......may be better for him to be able to get a few UDFA offers so he can choose a situation to attempt to make a team rather than be drafted. Whatever happens to him, he will work his tail off and has a great shot to be successful id imagine, NFL just may not work out, as most see him as a project...just my two cents
 
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K-town Vol Fan said:
Not looking good
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Matt Miller is a total and utter fool. He's useless unless he's getting fed information by actual NFL scouts.

Watch him change his tune after the senior bowl when he gets more info from the scouts. He'll then pretend like Dobbs performance during the practices were the big reason for his change of heart.
 
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Vol_is_Lyfe18 said:
One of those instances where D4H was truly back into a corner. Couldn't explain his way outta that one. Good job everybody
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Backed into what corner? I never claimed I was infallible. I never claimed I saw Dak Prescott being great when no one else did. I brought up Dak to show the NFL guys are not infallible. They don't know everything. They are actually more wrong than they are right. Especially about QBs. Which is why what they say about Dobbs is IRRELEVANT.

Dobbs will be a great NFL QB. I don't know if it will be immediate. But at the end of the day, he'll prove to be the best QB from the 2017 draft. And he'll perform similar to Randall Cunningham.
 
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
Backed into what corner? I never claimed I was infallible. I never claimed I saw Dak Prescott being great when no one else did. I brought up Dak to show the NFL guys are not infallible. They don't know everything. They are actually more wrong than they are right. Especially about QBs. Which is why what they say about Dobbs is IRRELEVANT.

Dobbs will be a great NFL QB. I don't know if it will be immediate. But at the end of the day, he'll prove to be the best QB from the 2017 draft. And he'll perform similar to Randall Cunningham.
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What would you call your prognostication stats?
 
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
Once again this isn't my job. Its theirs.

I can miss a million times of players like Dak because I'm not paid to make those decisions. They are paid to make those decisions hence why I criticize them even if I made the same mistake.

All I do is state my opinions. I let history be the judge. We'll see ultimately what happens to Dobbs. I still maintain he's the best QB prospect in this draft. And is better than anybody who came out last year.
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He's the smartest QB in either draft. He's very intuitive and slippery as a runner, maybe more than any other QB in this draft.

That's where the water starts to get murky. I think he'll fair poorly in passing drills when compared to other QBs. His accuracy was never good on certain patterns and the scouts will force every quarterback to make ALL the throws. And for every great highlight on tape, he's got some film that's hard to look at. We know. We all saw it first hand.

He's a great young man with a bright future as an Engineer. I'm proud he played for the Vols.
 
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
Matt Miller is a total and utter fool. He's useless unless he's getting fed information by actual NFL scouts.

Watch him change his tune after the senior bowl when he gets more info from the scouts. He'll then pretend like Dobbs performance during the practices were the big reason for his change of heart.
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More posts from you that further show how detached from reality you are. What do you do for a living, if you don't mind me asking? If its not an NFL Scout, why not? Why are you wasting your time with other things when you have clearly shown your dedication to "watching tape"?
 
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Mike4Vols said:
He's the smartest QB in either draft. He's very intuitive and slippery as a runner, maybe more than any other QB in this draft.

That's where the water starts to get murky. I think he'll fair poorly in passing drills when compared to other QBs. His accuracy was never good on certain patterns and the scouts will force every quarterback to make ALL the throws. And for every great highlight on tape, he's got some film that's hard to look at. We know. We all saw it first hand.

He's a great young man with a bright future as an Engineer. I'm proud he played for the Vols.
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I think people are underestimating his athleticism. Dobbs is pretty close to being a freak athlete for a guy his size. He'll measure 6'3" or 6'4" and around 215 lbs. He'll run in the high 4.4-low 4.5 range. And I'm willing to bet his short shuttle and 3-cone drill will be elite for his size.

People keep assuming he can't play the way he did in college in the NFL. I disagree. I think he'll be very much the same player. He'll be just as dynamic a runner. He'll be just as elusive. He'll make just as many WOW plays. Add to that better player from his o-line and wide receivers and I don't see why he isn't much better in the pass game as well.

I'm telling ya'll people will be surprised at the combine. Then everyone will pretend that they knew all along he would test like a freak athlete.
 
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
I think people are underestimating his athleticism. Dobbs is pretty close to being a freak athlete for a guy his size. He'll measure 6'3" or 6'4" and around 215 lbs. He'll run in the high 4.4-low 4.5 range. And I'm willing to bet his short shuttle and 3-cone drill will be elite for his size.

People keep assuming he can't play the way he did in college in the NFL. I disagree. I think he'll be very much the same player. He'll be just as dynamic a runner. He'll be just as elusive. He'll make just as many WOW plays. Add to that better player from his o-line and wide receivers and I don't see why he isn't much better in the pass game as well.

I'm telling ya'll people will be surprised at the combine. Then everyone will pretend that they knew all along he would test like a freak athlete.
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Most people don't carry around the same ridiculous shtick that you do. If Dobbs performs well at the combine and he goes higher than 4th round, I will be the first to say I was wrong. When it goes the other way, you will do what you always do and be a ***** and back peddle and lie some more about crap.
 
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BearCat204 said:
What would you call your prognostication stats?
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My predictions about my team can be wrong but that is because I'm a positive guy who will never pick against em. Don't be surprised if I predict Tennessee to win the national title in 2017.

In terms of player projections I think I've been very good. http://www.volnation.com/forum/arou...derrick-henry-bold-nfl-draft-predictions.html

Everyone loves to bring up my posts from the past that have not come true. But how about the ones I was dead right on?

Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
Picks I loved

1. Ezekeil Elliott to the Cowboys - Best player in the draft (especially after the news of Myles Jack potentially needing microfracture surgery). He'll be offensive rookie of the year, run for 1500+ yards, and be a pro bowler. Stud.

2. Karl Joseph to the Raiders - best DB in the draft. Yes, much better than Hargreaves and Ramsey. He'll be a stud immediately. Defensive rookie of the year IMO.

3. Keanu Neal to the Falcons - Kam Chancellor 2.0 IMO. Expect him to be one of the most intimidating hitters in the league. And a pro bowl safety.

4. Robert Nkemdiche to the Cardinals - perfect spot for him. Bruce Arians will get him to reach his potential. Expect multiple pro bowls.


Picks I hated

1. Jared Goff to the Rams - if they were desperate for a QB, Wentz, Hogan, and even Hackenberg would be better choices. This kid will join Sam Bradford as another #1 overall pick bust for the Rams. Expect Fisher and Snead to be fired in 3 years.

2. Joey Bosa to the Chargers - I thought he was a borderline 2nd round talent at 4-3 DE but moving him to 3-4 OLB with his lack of speed and athleticism at #3 overall....oh lawd. Now this is crazy.

3. DeForest Buckner to the 49ers - So after Arik Armstead turned out to be a total bust, they thought it was best to double down with his clone? Really? Chip Kelly bout to be fired from another job.

4. Leonard Floyd to the Bears - after the failures of Barkevious Mingo and Dion Jordan, the Bears thought it smart to draft another skinny undersized defensive end with limited production in the top 10? Pure madness.

- Expect all 4 to be huge busts. Especially for when they were picked.
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I was right about Jared Goff being an epic bust even as everyone was singing his praises on draft night. I was also right about Ezekiel Elliott being a dominant RB from day 1. My prediction that he would get 1500+ yards, make the pro-bowl, and lead the league in rushing were met with stiff resistance. And before you say everyone saw this coming, here you are disagreeing with me just a few posts later.

BearCat204 said:
They have a 1,000 yd rusher in Mac, just signed Alfred Morris and Dunbar..............head scratcher of a pick with Ramsey sitting on the board. I'll also take the bet that he will not come close to sniffing 1500 yards, much less be a pro bowler this year.
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I was also attacked a few posts later for calling Ezekiel Elliott a HOF talent.

Others guys I was right about: Sterling Shepard being the best WR from the 2017 draft; Karl Joseph and Keanu Neal being the best DBs from the class.

I was also one of the few people high on Karl Joseph and Keanu Neal before draft night when they surprising went in the first round. Both have proven their worth and look like they'll be really good safeties moving forward. And Sterling Shepard has more than proven his worth even with Odell Beckham Jr. and Victor Cruz taking up alot of catches.


Sure I
 
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BearCat204 said:
Most people don't carry around the same ridiculous shtick that you do. If Dobbs performs well at the combine and he goes higher than 4th round, I will be the first to say I was wrong. When it goes the other way, you will do what you always do and be a ***** and back peddle and lie some more about crap.
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Back peddling?

Says the guy who was back peddling like he was Michael Jackson at the Motown 25 after the season Ezekiel Elliott just had.

Weren't you the guy who said this about Ezekiel Elliott?

BearCat204 said:
They have a 1,000 yd rusher in Mac, just signed Alfred Morris and Dunbar..............head scratcher of a pick with Ramsey sitting on the board. I'll also take the bet that he will not come close to sniffing 1500 yards, much less be a pro bowler this year.
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BearCat204 said:
He'll be productive.....not 1500yrds+ productive, but he will do some things.
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Looks like two can play the rehashing of old posts from the past that make bold declarations. :)
 
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
My predictions about my team can be wrong but that is because I'm a positive guy who will never pick against em. Don't be surprised if I predict Tennessee to win the national title in 2017.

In terms of player projections I think I've been very good. http://www.volnation.com/forum/arou...derrick-henry-bold-nfl-draft-predictions.html

Everyone loves to bring up my posts from the past that have not come true. But how about the ones I was dead right on?




I was right about Jared Goff being an epic bust even as everyone was singing his praises on draft night. I was also right about Ezekiel Elliott being a dominant RB from day 1. My prediction that he would get 1500+ yards, make the pro-bowl, and lead the league in rushing were met with stiff resistance. And before you say everyone saw this coming, here you are disagreeing with me just a few posts later.



I was also attacked a few posts later for calling Ezekiel Elliott a HOF talent.

Others guys I was right about: Sterling Shepard being the best WR from the 2017 draft; Karl Joseph and Keanu Neal being the best DBs from the class.

I was also one of the few people high on Karl Joseph and Keanu Neal before draft night when they surprising went in the first round. Both have proven their worth and look like they'll be really good safeties moving forward. And Sterling Shepard has more than proven his worth even with Odell Beckham Jr. and Victor Cruz taking up alot of catches.


Sure I
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1) I wont be surprised when you pick UT to win the title this year....that's what you do.

2)Kelvin Taylor

3)Bosa

4)Karl Joseph isn't head and shoulders above Ramsey and Hargreaves and neither is Neal. Could they be argued to be a bit better, yeah, but Joseph was injured most of the season.

5)Jared Goff give him at lease a minute before you label him as a bust. Definitely more promise at this point than Hogan

6)Joey Bosa and Buckner......they pretty good

7)Leonard Floyd......he pretty good too

8)I was wrong about Elliott....I think I have posted this 5 times now

9)Sterling Shepard....You had and don't have any argument from me about him.

10) North........yeah


Point being, you make all these bold predictions and pretty much insult anyone who disagrees with you. You are batting about a 10 right now, so only up from here.
 
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
Back peddling?

Says the guy who was back peddling like he was Michael Jackson at the Motown 25 after the season Ezekiel Elliott just had.

Weren't you the guy who said this about Ezekiel Elliott?






Looks like two can play the rehashing of old posts from the past that make bold declarations. :)
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Who's back peddling? I have already posted....now a 5th time that I didn't see Elliot having that kind of success mainly because I didn't think they would push him to the top carry.
 
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I love how we've moved from making outlandish predictions to simply pretending that facts are totally not what they are.

You predicted that Karl Joseph would be Defensive ROY. He had 1 interception and 6 breakups on the year.

Keanu Neal has been really good on a mediocre defense and he was great at stripping the ball, but he didn't manage a single pick this year, which is kind of a must if one is going to be considered a top DB.

Despite a rocky start, Jalen Ramsey appears to be the best rookie DB in the bunch, and you claimed Joseph would be better. Wrong.

The best part is you continue to ignore your Bosa prediction. You know: the guy who actually won Defensive Rookie of the Year.
 
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bamawriter said:
I love how we've moved from making outlandish predictions to simply pretending that facts are totally not what they are.

You predicted that Karl Joseph would be Defensive ROY. He had 1 interception and 6 breakups on the year.

Keanu Neal has been really good on a mediocre defense and he was great at stripping the ball, but he didn't manage a single pick this year, which is kind of a must if one is going to be considered a top DB.

Despite a rocky start, Jalen Ramsey appears to be the best rookie DB in the bunch, and you claimed Joseph would be better. Wrong.

I love how you continue to ignore your Bosa prediction. You know: the guy who actually won Defensive Rookie of the Year.
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Injuries hurt Joseph this year. But when he was healthy he was really good. Maybe not DPOY good but alot better than most people thought before he was surprisingly taken by the Raiders in the first round.

Keanu Neal is a box safety like Kam Chancellor. He'll never get that many INTs. He affects the game in different ways.

I compared Jalen Ramsey to Antonio Cromartie coming out. If you remember Cromartie had a hot start to his career as well before fizzling out and becoming just a slightly above average player. Expect the same for Ramsey. He'll never be a dominant CB in the NFL. He'll just be very good like Cromartie.

First of all the official NFL DROY award has not been handed out yet. Bosa may have won some other media award but the official NFL defensive rookie of the year award won't be handed out until February at the NFL Honors show before the Super Bowl. Bosa may very well win that award as well. However, I stills stand by my point that he will ULTIMATELY be a bust. Remember, in 2012, RG3 won offensive ROY over Andrew Luck and Russell Wilson after a scintillating rookie season. He's obviously viewed as a bust now after his struggles the last few seasons.

I still don't buy Joey Bosa. Expect this year to be his high water mark like RG3 in 2012. I still believe when its all said and done he'll be viewed as a BUST.
 
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bamawriter said:
So essentially you're never wrong; you just haven't had enough time to be proven right.
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No. I was wrong about Dak Prescott. Didn't think he would be a good NFL QB at all. He's proven to not only be good but maybe even elite. That was a big time miss. I've been also wrong about Christian Hackenburg. Even though he hasn't played yet, all the intel says he's been an epic failure and I thought he had something he could have shown in the NFL.

Some guys however I still feel I will be right about in the long run. I don't think Joey Bosa is a great player. He might prove to be good or average. I've just maintained for his draft position (3rd overall) he will be a BUST.

I'm also not willing to give up on Kelvin Taylor. His tape was too good IMO. I think when he gets his chance he'll prove to be a better NFL RB than Derrick Henry (which might not be saying much).
 
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D4H gotta give you credit on shepherd. I'm a huge Giants fan and he was a absolute steal for us. I'd love for my giants to take Dobbs in the later rounds
 
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Berry4Heisman14 said:
D4H gotta give you credit on shepherd. I'm a huge Giants fan and he was a absolute steal for us. I'd love for my giants to take Dobbs in the later rounds
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I was sincerely shocked he lasted till the 2nd round. When I watched him last year, he just jumped off the screen every time he played. Definitely the biggest steal of the 2016 draft so far along with Dak Prescott.
 
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
I was sincerely shocked he lasted till the 2nd round. When I watched him last year, he just jumped off the screen every time he played. Definitely the biggest steal of the 2016 draft so far along with Dak Prescott.
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Sterling and Beckham are going to be dominant together for a long time. I say Dobbs wouldn't be a bad pick late bc Eli is getting older, Dobbs could learn under a 2 time super bowl champion. Hopefully the O line would be fixed by the time Dobbs would play
 
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