Redemption for Jalen Hurd

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Remy said:
Didn't say Kelly or Kamara were behind him, just 3.7 ypc is not terrible. Should have been better but not terrible. Lol you and I will never agree about who is great. IMO you hand that term out too much, easily, and to the undeserving. This may be another term where we'll not agree. 3.7 ypc, is not great, not best, could be mediocre, or under acheiver, but I am not cosigning a collegiate RB as terrible with that stat.
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I hand out the term "great" too much? When? And don't say Nick Chubb because you say he's average/overrated and I think the kid is really good. I rarely ever use the term "great" because people overuse the term all the time and water it down.

Btw Remy, no matter which running back it is, 3.7 yards per carry is just awful, especially for a collegiate running back. Had Hurd qualified, he would've been 38th in the SEC in yards per carry at 3.7.....38th! He was 5th (technically 9th) on his own team for crying out loud...not good.
 
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Hasn't he already signed with an agent?

If so, his college career would effectively be over.

But if he can come back I'd take him back only if the team would. But I would hope that the decision would be made in a team-only meeting.
 
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OneVolNation said:
Yes, sometimes there is collateral damage from an example that has to be set on a principle that cannot be compromised. It's not pleasant and it can even make you feel sorry for the person, but it's the kind of tough love needed to secure the best interests of the team.

We're always sending signals to others in this world about where the lines are on boundaries that can't be crossed.

While it's human nature to test those, if you allow tests of your authority to go unchecked, they'll continue (and even escalate) because of your lack of action to correct that challenge to your position. If you neglect to make it clear you won't tolerate attempts to undermine your position of authority, it sends the message to those who are entrusted to your charge that you are weak, easily pushed over, easily manipulated, and someone who can be taken advantage of without a painful enough repercussion to discourage someone who tries.

For leaders who are naturally "nice guys" and non-confrontational by disposition, it can be a challenge to assert your authority because you don't want to risk being resented. You want to be "the cool boss." With maturity and the acceptance of professional management responsibility comes the realization that correcting those who are out of line is part of your job that must be done even if it's not how you'd prefer to relate with people outside of the professional arena.

There's one head of the team. That's the head coach. A body with two heads coming out of the neck will end up playing internal tug a war, spin in circles and fall down dizzy before reaching any destination of either head's choosing and certainly not in the best interest of the body as a whole.

There is a certain modicum of respect for the Head Coach's authority over the team and each player on the team as well as each member of the staff in his/her employ.

When you have a player trying to be the head and telling the Coach that's in authority over him what he should do, that player is out of line and you need to address it to make it clear that insubordinate behavior will not be tolerated without discipline.

It just comes with the territory.

We're always sending signals out into the world about how people can treat us and how we won't allow them to treat us without repercussion. Sometimes you just have to make an example.

Now imagine you want to be Mercy Forgiveness Incarnate and just let anyone run you over and run over your organization. That is the kind of deadly tumor which must be caught early and destroyed. You don't necessarily have a problem with the particular cells as matter. Your issue is when they invade your healthy body and try to spread throughout it.

In extremely rare circumstances since it's up to you, you might make an exception and give someone a second chance. But just realize you weakened your perceived strength as a leader and manager for the purposes of running the organization when you did it. If you can live with the consequences and believe it's the best decision for the team, the players, and yourself, then as long as you're aware of what those consequences are and how they affect the team as a whole and everyone on it as well as future teams, then do what you believe in your gut is the right thing to do.

These should be on an individual by individual basis. There should be a clear and sincere acknowledgement of what they did wrong without any excuses and there should be a signed pledge with the steps the person is going to take to guarantee that they will always submit to the direction of the head coach and stay true to the coach's vision, as well as respecting the coach's position of authority as the professional in charge of leading this team.

I liked Jalen and thought he was a heck of a player until I started hearing and reading several reports of him allegedly disrespecting Coach Butch Jones. That was disappointing to learn. I hoped it wasn't true because there's no place for that kind of behavior.
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This was a great break down of the situation from a psychological stand point and I agree with everything. But you can't forget in life not every circumstance is the same. There are ways Butch Jones can let him back on the team without negativity effecting his authority of power.

It really depends on Jalen as well. How humble can he be? Will he have the ability to tuck his tail between his legs and humble himself before the staff and his teammates? Can he admit he was wrong and take more fault, even if he doesn't 100% believe what he is saying?

And the most important thing even if all goes right, the team wants him back, he says all the right things, and all things look good. Is it worth bringing him back? Will he be the RB from last year or the RB we knew from the two years prior?

A lot more questions than answers here. I personally wouldn't bring him back, not as a player anyways. Tho I would, as a leader of young men, talk to him and help make him a better person.
 
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KBVol said:
It was horrible no matter how you look at it. 4.5 was bad enough, 3.7 is incompetent, especially in comparison to what Kelly and Kamara did behind the same OL once they got their chances.
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If he had finished the year out he would've been the #1 rusher all-time in UTs history. 3.7 or not, you do not accomplish those overall numbers by being incompetent smh
 
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Nowadays people don't want to admit that they made a mistake. Heck we all make mistakes. It's what we learn from them. I think he has some mental demons that he needs to get figured out and keep his ego in check from this point forward.
 
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jmcarr33 said:
If he had finished the year out he would've been the #1 rusher all-time in UTs history. 3.7 or not, you do not accomplish those overall numbers by being incompetent smh
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He wasn't gonna break Henry's record based on how he was performing through the first 8 games.

Based on his statistics and how he was trending, he needed nearly a full season's worth of carries more than Travis Henry to break his record. Had he continued playing, averaging 17 carries per game and 3.7 yards per carry, he'd have still been short of Henry by 100+ yards, despite 125 or so more career carries That's the point. What if he'd averaged only 2 yards per carry and got the record because we gave him 45 carries per game the last 5 games? Would that have mattered to you?

So, pick your record....rushing yards, TD passes, home runs, strikeouts, free throws made, etc, etc, etc.....and now give one guy 150 more opportunities than the record holder to break it. Who was better?

Bottom line for me, 3.7 yards per carry, at any level of football is subpar, not good enough, pretty much awful. Was Hurd "incompetent", that's for each fan to decide. I don't think that's the best word to describe him....I'd go more with overrated, below average and not nearly elite like so many tried to convince everyone he was.

He was serviceable, got some tough yards and had some big plays at Tennessee. At times, he was absolutely a workhorse for us. But he was also a guy who couldn't bust the big play, rarely got chunk yardage and just left yards on the field, a lot of them, that I'm convinced a better, more talented running back like Alvin Kamara would've gotten for us.

Smh indeed.
 
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Yeah, but what a player does affects the rest of the team (whether that player realizes it or not), so obviously the redemption would be from the disgrace and shame he brought on to his name, his reputation, and as you say, "himself."
 
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I'm surprised we haven't heard of his intentions by now... It's getting late. Does anyone know if he is even in school anywhere?
 
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KBVol said:
I hand out the term "great" too much? When? And don't say Nick Chubb because you say he's average/overrated and I think the kid is really good. I rarely ever use the term "great" because people overuse the term all the time and water it down.

Btw Remy, no matter which running back it is, 3.7 yards per carry is just awful, especially for a collegiate running back. Had Hurd qualified, he would've been 38th in the SEC in yards per carry at 3.7.....38th! He was 5th (technically 9th) on his own team for crying out loud...not good.
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I figured you'd figure it out. At least I have you down to Chubb being just "really good." LOL No blood no foul man. If hand the rock to a kid and he averages a first down every three carries as his ypc stat over his season, he's not terrible and we'll have to agree to disagree if you think a kid is who has that stat in college.
 
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KBVol said:
He wasn't gonna break Henry's record based on how he was performing through the first 8 games.

Based on his statistics and how he was trending, he needed nearly a full season's worth of carries more than Travis Henry to break his record. Had he continued playing, averaging 17 carries per game and 3.7 yards per carry, he'd have still been short of Henry by 100+ yards, despite 125 or so more career carries That's the point. What if he'd averaged only 2 yards per carry and got the record because we gave him 45 carries per game the last 5 games? Would that have mattered to you?

So, pick your record....rushing yards, TD passes, home runs, strikeouts, free throws made, etc, etc, etc.....and now give one guy 150 more opportunities than the record holder to break it. Who was better?

Bottom line for me, 3.7 yards per carry, at any level of football is subpar, not good enough, pretty much awful. Was Hurd "incompetent", that's for each fan to decide. I don't think that's the best word to describe him....I'd go more with overrated, below average and not nearly elite like so many tried to convince everyone he was.

He was serviceable, got some tough yards and had some big plays at Tennessee. At times, he was absolutely a workhorse for us. But he was also a guy who couldn't bust the big play, rarely got chunk yardage and just left yards on the field, a lot of them, that I'm convinced a better, more talented running back like Alvin Kamara would've gotten for us.

Smh indeed.
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I totally cosign your post here KB, except the 3.7 ypc thingy we've been over and we'll never agree about the parsing of words around that stat.
 
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just a thought............

IF he comes back (I'll bet a LOT on the negative) I wonder how well the Offensive line plays for him. I've never been a lineman, so I don't know.


or if he goes somewhere else, what are his new teammates thoughts?
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
I'm surprised we haven't heard of his intentions by now... It's getting late. Does anyone know if he is even in school anywhere?
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I feel bad for him. His biological father came back into the picture a couple of years ago with dollar signs in his eyes and pulled all the wrong strings with Jalen.
 
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OrangeDog said:
just a thought............

IF he comes back (I'll bet a LOT on the negative) I wonder how well the Offensive line plays for him. I've never been a lineman, so I don't know.


or if he goes somewhere else, what are his new teammates thoughts?
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Zero chance he is ever allowed back in orange. Zero.
 
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