CBJ a solid 2nd since November 1st 2014

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bamawriter said:
If you're only going to include the games since Dobbs took over, how do the numbers suggest that "things are only going to get better" now that Dobbs is gone?
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This. How can you just act that Worley was never here :):):)
 
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#52
I think most on this site are very strong fans of UT football. I love watching (in person or TV) them play, but it is only a game. It is not life and death. It doesn't change my life except for the enjoyment I receive. No matter how frustrated some are with CBJ, everyone of us would love to be watching them play again this Sat. Until CBJ takes the program down, loses control of the team, grades start declining, the NCAA is after the program, then enjoy every game. The season is too short. Don't let Ala recent run cause you to resent what we have. Just look at the final poll rankings. Very few teams in that poll that didn't lose at least 3 games or more.
 
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He_Made_It said:
This dates back to when Dobbs officially took over as QB for Tennessee. Interesting that Tenn, Fla, & UGA are 2/3/4 respectively.

Things are only going to get better.

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#1 Alabama
Nick Saban
33-3 (.917)

#2 Tennessee
Butch Jones
22-9 (.710)

#3 Florida
Muschamp/McElwain
23-10 (.697)

#4 Georgia
Mark Richt/Kirby Smart
21-10 (.678)

#5 LSU
Les Miles/Ogeron(sp?)
18-10 (.643)

#6 Texas A&M
Kevin Sumlin
19-12 (.613)

#7 Arkansas
Bret Bielema
18-13 (.581)

#8 Ole Miss
Hugh Freeze
17-13 (.567)

#9 Mississippi State
Dan Mullins
18-14 (.563)

#10 Auburn
Gus Malzahn
17-15 (.531)
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nice job cherry picking a worthless stat
 
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Volunteer_Kirby said:
nice job cherry picking a worthless stat
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No - it is not a worthless stat - I am certainly glad we are not lower on that list. Is it the most important stat to me? not by a long shot - but lets not act as if it means nothing at all. But I am just as frustrated as everyone else that but for 2 dropped games that we had no business losing (candy and scar) we would be having entirely different conversations about CBJ walking on water.
 
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Gandalf said:
No - it is not a worthless stat - I am certainly glad we are not lower on that list. Is it the most important stat to me? not by a long shot - but lets not act as if it means nothing at all. But I am just as frustrated as everyone else that but for 2 dropped games that we had no business losing (candy and scar) we would be having entirely different conversations about CBJ walking on water.
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He's getting paid a lot of money to NOT lose to SC and Vandy with a East crown and Sugar Bowl birth on the line.
 
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I also like how the thread title indicates that it's about comparing coaches' records, and then proceeds to compare records of teams that had more than one coach over that stretch.
 
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Gandalf said:
No - it is not a worthless stat - I am certainly glad we are not lower on that list. Is it the most important stat to me? not by a long shot - but lets not act as if it means nothing at all. But I am just as frustrated as everyone else that but for 2 dropped games that we had no business losing (candy and scar) we would be having entirely different conversations about CBJ walking on water.
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He's 30-21 overall (14-18 in the SEC)...
5-7, 7-6, 9-4, 9-4....You can't just take the games you want from this record and make a stat...
 
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So we've squandered the East twice to a team that is not as good as us.

Awesome.

But, most of us already knew that............
 
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livefaith said:
Nice stats there. Gives some perspective on things.

One thing that I would point out is that the "Dobbs takeover" occurred at the same time as UT's usual "easy 2nd half schedule". Therefore, the stats have the benefit of three 2nd halves of the season and only two 1st halves. That helps matters in the stat department a little.
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EXACTLY. You can't leave out the games that don't support your position. You could just as easily create a list ranking the SEC teams on how they did just in November, or against Kentucky. Tennessee would excel on that list too.
 
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Gandalf said:
No - it is not a worthless stat - I am certainly glad we are not lower on that list. Is it the most important stat to me? not by a long shot - but lets not act as if it means nothing at all. But I am just as frustrated as everyone else that but for 2 dropped games that we had no business losing (candy and scar) we would be having entirely different conversations about CBJ walking on water.
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No offense but it looks like just another attempt to validate the lack of coaching ability of CBJ because we are unable to do it with the stats that really matter.
 
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The 2017 recruiting class will be Butch's 5th at UT. Is that right? But I give him a pass for that 1st abbreviated year. This is actually his 4th complete recruiting package. I know this topic isn't about recruiting, but really I think it's the essence of what you have as an average gauge of how well a team is capable of performing. There are always some exceptions like Washington reaching the top 4 this year. So if we average out the class recruiting averages of 2014 thru 2017, then we can gauge either the under or over performance against that and see what we have.

If we are expecting or anticipating reaching the CFP top 4, then we need to be recruiting near an average top 5 class most years. We aren't doing that. Last year was a composite 14th rank finish. This year we are currently ranked 10th behind 5 other sec teams.
 
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TNinSC said:
He's 30-21 overall (14-18 in the SEC)...
5-7, 7-6, 9-4, 9-4....You can't just take the games you want from this record and make a stat...
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Yes, you definitely can. Especially when it so happen that the team starts improving at a certain point. Especially when that data happens to be the most recent data set. It actually can show you signs of progress. :pilot:
 
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goldvol said:
Yes, you definitely can. Especially when it so happen that the team starts improving at a certain point. Especially when that data happens to be the most recent data set. It actually can show you signs of progress. :pilot:
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Dobbs started several games in the 2013 season...
 
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ptclaus98 said:
Please explain the logic in this? And all this list does for me is highlight how terrible the SEC is now.
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What do you mean by"now"? Go back to the 90's and look at the records of all the SEC teams. Each division had a pair of heavy hitters followed by absolute trash. The west then was as bad as the east now. This is the closest to parity that the conference has ever seen. That's why we look inept.
 
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I believe that all the OP was trying to point out is that there has been a good trend upward and Tennessee has done well in the SEC when lead by a QB recruited by the current staff.

But for some - there cannot be absolutely anything positive associated with Tennessee football at this point.

I'm sure that you all will even find something negative to say when Barnett is taken in the first round of the NFL draft!!!
 
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volfan102455 said:
I believe that all the OP was trying to point out is that there has been a good trend upward and Tennessee has done well in the SEC when lead by a QB recruited by the current staff.

But for some - there cannot be absolutely anything positive associated with Tennessee football at this point.

I'm sure that you all will even find something negative to say when Barnett is taken in the first round of the NFL draft!!!
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I think the OP was trying to cherry pick a stat line to make Tennessee is better than what is, which is why you feel that "there cannot be absolutely anything positive associated with Tennessee football at this point" when they point out the flaws or inconsistences in the post.

Why cant the record and performance speak for itself? My take is because it is simply not good enough and thus we have endless threads of cherry picked stat lines to make things appear better than what they actually are.
 
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volfannbama said:
I think the OP was trying to cherry pick a stat line to make Tennessee is better than what is, which is why you feel that "there cannot be absolutely anything positive associated with Tennessee football at this point" when they point out the flaws or inconsistences in the post.

Why cant the record and performance speak for itself? My take is because it is simply not good enough and thus we have endless threads of cherry picked stat lines to make things appear better than what they actually are.
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Regardless of how you look at the total wins over either the past 2 or 3 years - Tennessee is among 5 teams that have the greatest number of wins in the SEC. This includes Alabama, Georgia, Florida Tennessee and Auburn. If you look at 2 years, Florida is number 2 and TN, GA and Auburn are 3. If you look at 3 years, GA is number 2 and TN, FL and Auburn are number 3.
 
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