Dabo vs Butch

#77
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JFreak said:
Va Tech, GA, FL, and NEB disagree. But keep spewing your same rhetoric over and over.. maybe it'll make you feel justified after a while.
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Vandy x2, Muschamp x every time, and the entire SEC West disagree with you.

Also, keep trying to milk that hail Mary vs. Georgia as anything but a miracle. It looks good on you.
 
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volfannbama said:
ACC was 10 - 4 against SEC this year. Pound your chest with the ol SEC, SEC all you want, i prefer to base my opinion on actual results, which are currently not in our favor.
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Facts, man... It kills their fantasy national championships.
 
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volfannbama said:
So you are saying they figured out a way to win games resulting in a National Championship? Interesting.

If you look back at every single NC you will find the same thing. I cant remember a team that absolutely dominated everyone they played. Nothing new here
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They lost one and one was a chippy fg.
 
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DFWVolFan said:
Biggest difference between CBJ and CDS. CDS ran a play with 6 seconds and no timeouts left for the win in a national championship game. CBJ would have been content to get in field goal range and play for overtime.
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I agree with the point, but Clemson still had one TO remaining.
 
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First you people who think that Dabo's first year was in 2008 you make yourselves look like fools! First he took over after 6 games in the season had already been played and they were a preseason top 10 pick with Bowden but went 3-3 first 6 games, so he was made interim head coach. So 2008 was NOT his first season, 2009 season was his first season as head coach. So his first 4 season at Clemson went 9-5, 6-7, 10-4 and 11-2, he went 4-3 as the interim coach in 2008. So in his first 4 years he went 36-18 for 66.6 win % while Butch has gone 30-21 for 58.8 win %. Even if Butch had beaten USC and Vandy this year his 4 year % would still be worse. I give Butch next year, but i am calling a 7-5 season for him right now and if thats the case he needs to be gone, he really needs to hire some good assistants and if so i really do think he can take a good step forward, however the SEC especially East in the past 4 years has also sucked, so please dont say the SEC is much harder compared to the SEC, because if we were in the West and he had went 30-21 compared to Dabo going 36-18 i would say yes, but Florida has been mediocre at best the past 4 years first with Muschamp and now McElwain and Georgia was also mediocre with Saint Richt and now Smart and the jumble behind them that had Mizzou winning the East. So please quit with the SEC is better his first 4 compared to ACC at that time, because it is a joke. His first 4 years USC was the best team in the east and he also played them every season just like UT.

2009-GA tech ranked in top 25, so was TCU their ooc game, also played ranked Miami and FSU and they played GA Tech twice as they played for ACC champ
2010-they went 6-7 and played 15th auburn, 16th miami, 25 nc state, USC was ranked as was FSU
2011- beat 21 auburn, beat 11 FSU, Beat 11 VT Tech, lost to 14 USC at USC, beat 5th ranked VT in ACC champ
2012- Beat 25th auburn, lost to 4th FSU, lost to 13th USC and beat 9th ranked LSU

so his schedules for those years were not that easy and he played quite a few SEC teams during that time. I hope Butch can come close to reaching the heights that Dabo has, as his 5th season was 11-2 with an Orange bowl win, so hopefully Jones can come close by just winning a SECeast.
 
#82
#82
Wylo said:
Facts, man... It kills their fantasy national championships.
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Come on bro, did you read the comment he was responding to? If not, read it then read his response again.
 
#83
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JonGrudensAgent said:
NC State didn't get your memo on SEC dominance.

They rolled the same Vandy team that the Vols couldn't beat for a Sugar Bowl.

I'd be embarrassed for not knowing that if I were you.
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Oh you mean the Independence bowl where NC State had a month to prepare and we had 20 injuries with a week to prepare, yes that's comparable. Lol
 
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smokey0625 said:
They lost one and one was a chippy fg.
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The only "signature win" CBJ has in four years at Tennessee is a chippy fg....one game .....four years.

When you win at a high level, nobody cares how you do it. Nobody cares how we figured out how to win every game in 98, nobody cares that Alabama needed to block a field goal against a 7-5 Tennessee team in route to a NC. It simply doesn't matter. Good teams find a way to win games. Unfortunately we are on the opposing end of that spectrum. Noone would care how we beat a bad USC / Vandy team if we were sitting at 10-2 SECE Champs and in a NY6 bowl. But, we are not a good team and we don't figure out a way to win those types of games and this is the fourth year in a row with this trend.
 
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volfannbama said:
ACC was 10 - 4 against SEC this year. Pound your chest with the ol SEC, SEC all you want, i prefer to base my opinion on actual results, which are currently not in our favor.
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You can't say the ACC bottom dwellers are getting better and not say the SEC bottom dwellers are still 90's terrible. The TV and ESPN money is bringing school facilities up to par with any team today. Alot more choices for kids than just a few schools.

Care to list your 10-4 record with the teams, dates and scores?
 
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Orange_Vol1321 said:
You can't say the ACC bottom dwellers are getting better and not say the SEC bottom dwellers are still 90's terrible. The TV and ESPN money is bringing school facilities up to par with any team today. Alot more choices for kids than just a few schools.

Care to list your 10-4 record with the teams, dates and scores?
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I didn't say the ACC bottom dwellers are getting better and the SEC bottom dwellers are not. I said that it is not likely Tennessee would win 10 games a year in the ACC and use the fact that they cant do it in the SEC as evidence. SEC dominance is over. I know its a difficult concept to let go for older heads, but its over. Outside of Alabama the SEC is mediocre at best, and saying a mid tier SEC team would dominate any other conference is a lazy argument based on no logic.

And sure. Here you go.
2017/01/09 Alabama 31 - Clemson 35 L !! CFP Championship !!
2016/12/31 LSU 29 - Louisville 9 W !! Citrus Bowl !!
2016/12/31 Kentucky 18 - Georgia Tech 33 L !! TaxSlayer Bowl !!
2016/12/29 Arkansas 24 - Virginia Tech 35 L !! Belk Bowl !!
2016/12/26 Vanderbilt 17 - North Carolina St 41 L !! Independence Bowl !!
2016/11/26 South Carolina 7 - Clemson 56 L
2016/11/26 Kentucky 41 - Louisville 38 W
2016/11/26 Georgia 27 - Georgia Tech 28 L
2016/11/26 Florida 13 - Florida St 31 L
2016/09/17 Vanderbilt 7 - Georgia Tech 38 L
2016/09/10 Tennessee 45 - Virginia Tech 24 W
2016/09/05 Mississippi 34 - Florida St 45 L
2016/09/03 Georgia 33 - North Carolina 24 W
2016/09/03 Auburn 13 - Clemson 19 L
 
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volfannbama said:
The only "signature win" CBJ has in four years at Tennessee is a chippy fg....one game .....four years.

When you win at a high level, nobody cares how you do it. Nobody cares how we figured out how to win every game in 98, nobody cares that Alabama needed to block a field goal against a 7-5 Tennessee team in route to a NC. It simply doesn't matter. Good teams find a way to win games. Unfortunately we are on the opposing end of that spectrum. Noone would care how we beat a bad USC / Vandy team if we were sitting at 10-2 SECE Champs and in a NY6 bowl. But, we are not a good team and we don't figure out a way to win those types of games and this is the fourth year in a row with this trend.
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Florida, ga two years in a row which hasn't been done since fulmer, va tech was a really good win. You're mad. I get it. Be honest though. If you hold the first two years against Jones then you are forgetting the hole we were in before him.
 
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volfannbama said:
You saying it wasn't a fact?
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Context.

I can't argue the ACC is better than the SEC this year. It is.

His post was about the "bottom dwellers" in both conferences. So I guess that would depend on who are considered bottom dwellers. After you agree on who those are in each conference, look at the 10-4 again.

I wasn't even going to bother with it until my friend Wylo made his comment.
 
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Orange_Vol1321 said:
Oh you mean the Independence bowl where NC State had a month to prepare and we had 20 injuries with a week to prepare, yes that's comparable. Lol
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Lol, this is laughable. Tennessee should've destroyed Vandy, even with the injuries. Butch is showing what he is. Get ready to have a new savior soon. You can regurgitate all the same praise.
 
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volfannbama said:
So you are saying they figured out a way to win games resulting in a National Championship? Interesting.

If you look back at every single NC you will find the same thing. I cant remember a team that absolutely dominated everyone they played. Nothing new here
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very true....but....if you recall the NCSU game, it took the pack's kicker to miss a chipshot....not exactly finding a way to win...pure....dumb....luck in that game. They wouldn't have been in the NC hunt otherwise.
 
#97
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Behr said:
Context.

I can't argue the ACC is better than the SEC this year. It is.

His post was about the "bottom dwellers" in both conferences. So I guess that would depend on who are considered bottom dwellers. After you agree on who those are in each conference, look at the 10-4 again.

I wasn't even going to bother with it until my friend Wylo made his comment.
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Creeper.


:)
 
#98
#98
Can I get a show of hands from everyone who would have came to VN and celebrated if Dabo Sweeney, the interim HC at Clemson, had been hired away by Hamilton to replace Fulmer. :D
 
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